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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2460 - Jun 18th, 2017, 5:58pm
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
You stated that there are over 100 trains over 80 lines; that would make it just over 100 ZPMs, one for each train. Again, that is not a problem.

There are not eighty lines, with the 69 Line removed there are six lines: 67 Line, 75 Line, 77 Line, 80 Line, 81 Line and 87 Line.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
The problem is this, you flip-flop on how much the Spirits have rebuilt Charlton and Texas, and areas outside of Texas.

In that respect the only change is in how the Texas Spirits have helped outside of Charlton. Except for nations like Israel and Arendelle, any help outside of Charlton has been economic help.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
Furthermore places like Tybee Island, Georgia; San Diego, California; Grand Canyon Village, Arizona; Savannah, Georgia, and San Antonio, New Mexico would be destroyed and underwater.

Tybee Island, Georgia, Savannah, Georgia and San Diego, California were the pre-Happening destinations. The final destinations would go to the new coastlines.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
Places in places like Minnesota are too far away for them to have reached there by now.

How is it too far to reach?
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
You need to decide how far they have rebuild, and how far they are currently planning to rebuild and in the end how far they want to rebuild.

Except for the destinations that are now underwater, all of the Charlton Railroad has been rebuilt.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
Remember, one must keep in mind that many places would not want Spirit help for their rebuilding efforts for one reason or another; especially their “Freedom of Religion” beliefs.

The only relationship Charlton has with the railroad towns is an economic relationship.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
As I see it, the Texas Spirits rebuilt Charlton and its nearby cities, connecting the rail and highways.

There was an objection to rebuilding highways outside of Texas so that was undone after the last change in the time line.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
This reach is about 200 miles with over 100,000 people population.

I estimate the population of Charlton to be about 500,000. This includes humans, mutants, mutates and Spirits.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
But they also had to rebuild and reclaim the farm lands and ranches between the cities to make sure the cities have food to feed the population and the trains and highways to transport these foods and goods. They are trying to reach outward to other cities – up to 500+ miles away, with those outside of Texas giving them some problems as some of them do not want to deal with Spirits.

Texas is a big place. Though it is true that there are a number of crops that cannot grow in Texas, there are many crops that can.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
The USA is not rebuilding because of the Texas Spirits. It is rebuilding because he people want to unify what once was.

Good. I'm glad to hear it.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
If they want to be Xenophobic in their religious rights, no one is going to deal with them. So they are Jews, big deal. There are Christians, Jews, Islamic Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, Wicca, Voo Doo, Santareria, Satanists, so one and so forth. I bet there are Eastern European Gypsies in the mix. It does not matter. So the Texas Spirits only wants one land for themselves to call their own. That’s fine, but that does not give them the right to force one religion onto others in the name of Religious Freedoms.

Aside for the fact the trains don't run on Saturdays, the Torah is not being enforced outside of Charlton.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
This is not done in Israel, which is the true promised land.

I never said that Charlton is the promise land.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:24pm:
This forcing of one religion is one of many reasons why people will not deal with the Texas Spirits.

I presented a solution thee times and in none of those times have you commented on it:
 
Quote from Jeanette on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:08pm:
Instead of a Jewish state, call it an Old Covenant state or something along that line.

I want to further modify that to say Torah state to allow anyone, Jew or gentile who follows the Torah, in.
 
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Reply #2461 - Jun 18th, 2017, 6:45pm
 
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Moro puts her mobile device away. "I don't like this situation either Jeanette. If we teleport Valentine here, Fernando and Hondo will leave the party and our hopes for finding the civil rights leader goes out the window. We are not exactly sure where Gabrielle is. The only thing we have to go on is your journal, that and another record that gives us her measurements. According to your journal this party, that includes Fernando, finds Gabrielle.
 
"Since we need Fernando, we don't want to do anything to piss him off."
 
Jeanette shakes her head. "I don't understand people."
 
"I'm glad to know we're in good company. I'm just as perplexed as you are."
 
"Why don't you just scan for Gabrielle and be done with it?"
 
"She's not in our system, not yet. She will be when we find her."
 
"How will you know that you found her?"
 
Moro gives Gabrielle's description: "Seven-year-old white female with long, black hair and black feathers. She will be found wearing a torn bloody nightgown."
 
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Reply #2462 - Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 18th, 2017, 6:45pm:
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Moro puts her mobile device away. "I don't like this situation either Jeanette. If we teleport Valentine here, Fernando and Hondo will leave the party and our hopes for finding the civil rights leader goes out the window. We are not exactly sure where Gabrielle is. The only thing we have to go on is your journal, that and another record that gives us her measurements. According to your journal this party, that includes Fernando, finds Gabrielle.

"Since we need Fernando, we don't want to do anything to piss him off."

Jeanette shakes her head. "I don't understand people."

"I'm glad to know we're in good company. I'm just as perplexed as you are."


"Why don't you just scan for Gabrielle and be done with it?"

"She's not in our system, not yet. She will be when we find her."

"How will you know that you found her?"

Moro gives Gabrielle's description: "Seven-year-old white female with long, black hair and black feathers. She will be found wearing a torn bloody nightgown."

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1) What is there NOT to understand?
 
The downfall of individuals, groups and past civilizations are from the complacency of those getting too comfortable and taking things for granted in thinking that it will always be there for them no matter what. The downfall of the first town that arrested Hondo was though it was corrupt with an evil spirit, they relied on that evil spirit too much, and when it was eliminated the place fall like a house of cards.
 
Neither Hondo nor Fernando wants this for the group. Having the mentality of “Oh, the spirits will take care of this” “The spirits will take care of that for us” is the wrong mind set to have. As is, Jeanette is relying on them (through Moro and the journal) a bit too much. She should be making decisions for the group and assisting in what the group needs, not relying on getting answers from them.
 
If the Spirits were to have rescued Val and teleported her home, then the next person to disappear, it would be done again, and again, and again. There is no story in that first off, and second it forces those within the group to rely on the spirits too much for every single problem they may have. In taking away the daily challenges of life, you create slow, dumb, idiot characters that are nothing more than place holder characters for the story. “Oh, we need 500 gallons of water.” “We need 200 gallons of fuel.” “We need 2 tons of food.” *POOF!* “The Spirits have provided!” There is no human interaction in this. There is no need to go into town and find food, resources, or make friends. Making friends among the communities is what the spirits need if they are to expand out of Texas.
 
2) Seven years old? After past emails and posts hinted that she would be a teenager, you made her into a child of near preschool age? What is it with you and little girls? This needs to stop. This is supposed to be a leader? No child leads without somebody pulling on their strings. And the only ones I/Fernando and Hondo sees pulling the strings is the Texas Spirits.
 
3) The world is not filled with Haibanes as you make it out to be. If anything, there are on average, as per natural mutation rates go in humans, 1 in every 2million as a minimum, though I will drop a couple of zeros from that amount and make it 1 in every 200,000, making  the 3 or 4 found in this town the only ones for the next 300 miles. This would make it the last set of Haibanes in the area until we reach Fight Town. Anymore means that these Haibanes are being artificially created and concentrated, and I will point my finger at the Texas Spirits for this.
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Reply #2463 - Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm
 
RPG (in collaboration with Hondo):
 
The Drivers Meeting ends and everyone has their assigned slots. The next thing for them to do is to check their vehicles and top off what fluids are needed and replace tires that might be wearing out. Fernando tells Marvin and Karl to wait for Hondo outside and for Hondo, Ruth, Joanna and Maribelle to remain with him, General Jastrey and a couple of her senior officers. They move in closer as the others leave.
 
“I brought you all together to make a deal. Whether you stay in Texas or return to here on your own time, it is important that your farms somehow continue with or without you. In speaking with Hondo, and hearing about the damaged done to the farms, this community has lot a season’s worth of food. But crops can be replanted, new crops can be planted as well and another crop can be harvested by the Fall. This will insure that there food during the winter and prices will not crash. To do this, General Jastrey and I discussed about restoring the farms with both the Youth Corps and her men. The Houses will be fixed up, the equipment found will be repaired or replaced as needed, and the land tilled and seeded. Whether you want to sell your property to the town or keep it and let them work on it while you are away, is on you. These are the only options I have for you, maybe General Jastrey may have other options, I do not know.” Fernando explains.
 
“As long as we have our house and farm rebuilt while we are gone, we’ll do it.” Ruth says for both her and Joanna.
 
“Maribelle?” Fernando calls to her.
 
“I need to think about it.” Maribelle tells her.
 
“It is not just your farm, but many others. We still have not been contacted by 7 or 8 Large Agricultural Farms and 5 or 6 or more Ranches out there, and still nothing from the outer reaches farms at the edge of the border. Nothing from the O'Malley Sheep Ranch, the Johansson Bar-H-Bar Cattle Ranch, the Tallons M-T Chicken Ranch, the Standingbears Buffalo Ranch, not even a word from the Fins’ Bass-Trout-and Salmon Farm. The Town Council has sent out an expedition to see what has happened and if there are survivors, but the longer the silence, the more bodies will be found out there. You three are the only survivors found so far, so all that property your parents and grandparents own are now yours. Whether you want to sell it to the town or share it with the town, we will take care of it so that we do not end up starving here.” General Jastrey explains.
 
“Supposed I share with the town, what will I get?” Maribelle asks.
 
“Just like a Jenkins... all about the money.” General Jastrey throws out for all to hear, “I will say much, what money the farm makes will be put in the bank for you. The land will be taken care of by our men, and like Fernando stated, your farm equipment will be repaired, your houses will be rebuilt so if you return you will have a place to go to. But we do not have much time for you to waste on deciding.”
 
Hondo explains, “If they wait to plant until June they are down to beans, potatoes, turnips right away then cold crops in the fall. Too late to replant spring cold crops as most wouldn't reach full maturity. If they get corn in by June they will only lose an average of two bushels an acre, maybe three for the last planting. Tomatoes need to be started asap. Squash and pumpkin can wait but after June will result in over 50% less yield per acre, same for cucumbers. Peppers need to be started asap too or the plant won't be mature enough to produce much. After June 1st would be a 75% or more loss. These are estimates for the climate in this area.”
 
“They need to reclaim lost herds, replant the fields and build back what has been destroyed. We cannot wait while you think what color panties will look good on your ass. You want power, here it is, your decision effects everybody in this town and the surrounding communities. You can give it away to the Town Council or share it with them so they can work it while you are gone and you have something when you return.” Fernando tells her.
 
“We will be sharing.” Joanna throws in for Maribelle to hear.
 
Maribelle scowls at Joanna and Ruth for a moment before giving her answer, “I’ll share then. I will not be outdone by the McDonalds.”
 
“General, how fast can you get the contracts made up?” Fernando asks.
 
“I have then here and now. We can discuss details and then you and Hondo will sign it as witnesses for this contract for the McDonalds and Jenkins to share their farms with the Town Council and the Military Law Enforcement. We will rebuild.” General Jastrey explains.
 
“We will sign them later. Hondo needs to help out with the flat tires on Karl’s SUV and I need to go to Maribelle’s farm with Teri and Moro to recover a few things. Right before dinner time would be for us to sign as witnesses.” Fernando states.
 
“That sounds great. I’ll see you then. Ladies, to the desk so we can discuss details.” General Jastrey says.
 
Fernando and Hondo step out of the tent and see the work being done for preparing the meals before breaking off to deal with their individual groups. Zoey and Macey are left under Tonya’s care for the time being.
 
(to be continued...)
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Reply #2464 - Jun 19th, 2017, 12:47pm
 
Moro throws in an afterthought. "Anyhow, to keep the peace, its best to not volunteer information that we found Valentine."
 
"You mentioned that the main reason we are in a Mad Max world is because you stopped World War III. What else went wrong?" Jeanette asks.
 
"We didn't completely stop that war. If humans are determined, they will use bows and arrows. The other thing we did wrong was we attempted to soften the blow of the economic collapse."
 
"What exactly is an economic collapse?" Jeanette continues.
 
"In other words there was a runaway inflation. The only thing we could do about it is to keep the price of electricity and rail services the same while the value of the dollar dropped daily. Families, as well farms and other business, kept their lights on while shipping what goods they do have by rail. For the few telephone, cable and Internet customers we do have, we kept the prices stable for them too. Outside of that, what could we do? In hindsight that was almost as bad as stopping World War III.
 
 "Our plan is to get things back to the way things were before the Happening and after that, stay out of the wars except to meet our obligations. The biggest obstacle to that recovery plan is that humans that can't tell the difference between benevolent Spirits and non-benevolent Spirits. I don't blame them. How can they tell us apart? When we get to the railroad towns you will meet people who can tell the difference. They are the ones who enjoy cheap, reliable energy, rail services, telephone, cable TV and Internet."
 
"What kind of deals did you make with these towns?" Jeanette probes. "Do they have to follow the Torah too?"
 
Moro lets out a chuckle. "No. We don't have any authority in those towns. Ours is strictly a business relationship and that is how it needs to be because we need to get the United States back. After that, it's up to the people."
 
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Reply #2465 - Jun 19th, 2017, 1:15pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 19th, 2017, 12:47pm:
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"You mentioned that the main reason we are in a Mad Max world is because you stopped World War III. What else went wrong?" Jeanette asks.

"We didn't completely stop that war. If humans are determined, they will use bows and arrows. The other thing we did wrong was we attempted to soften the blow of the economic collapse."

"What exactly is an economic collapse?" Jeanette continues.

"In other words there was a runaway inflation. The only thing we could do about it is to keep the price of electricity and rail services the same while the value of the dollar dropped daily. Families, as well farms and other business, kept their lights on while shipping what goods they do have by rail. For the few telephone, cable and Internet customers we do have, we kept the prices stable for them too. Outside of that, what could we do? In hindsight that was almost as bad as stopping World War III.

"Our plan is to get things back to the way things were before the Happening and after that, stay out of the wars except to meet our obligations. The biggest obstacle to that recovery plan is that humans that can't tell the difference between benevolent Spirits and non-benevolent Spirits. I don't blame them. How can they tell us apart? When we get to the railroad towns you will meet people who can tell the difference. They are the ones who enjoy cheap, reliable energy, rail services, telephone, cable TV and Internet."

 
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Excellent points you brought out!
 
1) How bad was the inflation?
 
Currently I am dealing with a couple of friends in San Salvador and Brazil, where San Salvador is having Hyper Inflation and Brazil is undergoing Uber Inflation. All they want is a Raspberry Pi, which I am setting up to send to them.
 
 What is keeping San Salvador from going to Uber Inflation is their use of the US dollar as their currency. I do not know what kind of deal was made to do this, but they have no money other than the US Dollar, and only that is keeping price stable. But with shortages in food and other items, like in Venezuela, is driving prices up at a frightening rate.
 
It is too late for Brazil. A $5 Raspberry Pi Zero in the USA is $500,000-Br.; way out the price range that they can afford. A $5 Raspberry Pi! Because of this crime is on the rise, and in some cities, the police are on strike and it is literally lawless out there. Girls and young boys are being sold into slavery in Brazil for families to survive. But none of this is mentioned in the news. Tourists still go there and spend their money, thinking they are getting great deals because their money goes farther than the Brazilian Dollar. For the US to fall into this condition, a lot has to happen.
 
2) I do not think it is that human know the difference. It is who came first with the better deal. Think Lucifer in the Garden of Eden telling Eve to eat the apple from the Tree of Knowledge. He had done so on several occasions until he got what he wanted from her – to eat the apple.
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Reply #2466 - Jun 19th, 2017, 1:40pm
 
The Texas Spirits made a promise to protect everybody in the party. Fernando and Hondo threatened to leave if the Texas Spirits upheld their promise. What then are they supposed to do?
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm:
2) Seven years old? After past emails and posts hinted that she would be a teenager, you made her into a child of near preschool age?

It has been established that Gabrielle is seven.
 
http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1428938728/2325#2325
 
While I did not establish an age before this, she was always said to be a child who would grow up to be a leader. I chose seven because she will be compared to the Grimm version of Snow White. In the Grimm version she was seven as part of the repeated use of the Number 7.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm:
What is it with you and little girls?

If you are talking about Penny and Sticky, you will get your answer if we get Wilbur.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm:
This is supposed to be a leader? No child leads without somebody pulling on their strings. And the only ones I/Fernando and Hondo sees pulling the strings is the Texas Spirits.

It was also said that she would grow up to be a leader. She needs to be molded into a leader.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm:
3) The world is not filled with Haibanes as you make it out to be.

I already explained why a human becomes Haibane. So yes, there are a lot of them.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 12:36pm:
Anymore means that these Haibanes are being artificially created and concentrated, and I will point my finger at the Texas Spirits for this.

Why would you be pointing a finger at the Texas Spirits? I already told you that they have not figured out why a human becomes haibane.
 
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Reply #2467 - Jun 19th, 2017, 2:16pm
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 1:15pm:
Excellent points you brought out!

1) How bad was the inflation?

Thanks. There have been predictions that the dollar would only be worth the paper it's printed on.
 
I'm speculating that if the price of electricity and rail services are kept at the pre-Happening price, the dollar can be propped up or, if the dollar does become worthless, it would be delayed.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 1:15pm:
2) I do not think it is that human know the difference. It is who came first with the better deal. Think Lucifer in the Garden of Eden telling Eve to eat the apple from the Tree of Knowledge. He had done so on several occasions until he got what he wanted from her – to eat the apple.

With the Charlton Railroad, going as far back as the early 1800s, and the electric company, Zero Point Energy, well established, I would say the Texas Spirits came first.
 
Nevertheless there is the problem of humans not trusting Spirits in general because of the evil Spirits.
 
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Reply #2468 - Jun 19th, 2017, 11:05pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 19th, 2017, 2:16pm:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 19th, 2017, 1:15pm:
Excellent points you brought out!

1) How bad was the inflation?

Thanks. There have been predictions that the dollar would only be worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm speculating that if the price of electricity and rail services are kept at the pre-Happening price, the dollar can be propped up or, if the dollar does become worthless, it would be delayed.

 
The issue is the inflation and de-evaluation of the US Dollar on a Global scale, as the economy of the dollar is on a Global scale. That is the problem with Brazil, the Brazilian dollar is not a global currency and due to the internal (corrupt) politics of Brazil, they have Uber Inflation. For the US dollar to fail it would have to be abandoned by many nations as they use the US Dollar to prop up their currency. The UK Pound, Japanese Yen, Russian Rupple, and the European Euro all have this shared influence with the US Dollar and can exchange with each other easily. For the US Dollar to fail, that would mean the other currencies refuse to back it up.
 
But US population will help each other out. Some people would prep for this, many will not but learn quickly. People will get their food - somehow. People will get their services - somehow. You need to look at the world and see what is going on elsewhere. Rowanda is one such place. 85% of the people there has a Smartphone, and are paying for phone and net service. But only less than 20% of them have electricity and only in the day time a power plants shut down at night. And less than 10% have their own generators. So, how are these people charging up to stay connected while they pay month after month for service when there is no electricity? How are they charging their cellphones when there is no place to plug in on 80% of the nation?
 
http://www.dw.com/en/solar-kiosks-as-a-business-modell/av-39260285
 
Also:
http://www.dw.com/en/living-planet-kenyans-adopt-small-solar/av-36424049
http://www.dw.com/en/electricity-has-muscle-power/av-19432232
 
dw.com is an independent global news company from Germany with several shows. I look at “Global 3000” and “Watch on Europe.” These are from Global 3000. The video I posted from Russia months ago was also from Global 3000. (repeat of link: http://www.dw.com/en/putins-plans-to-tax-the-garazhniki/av-36488130 ) It asks, how do you tax a loaf of bread?
 
My point being, if these small poor nations can do this, the USA in bad shape can do this as well. Even if the dollar becomes worthless, the USA can put itself into this kind of self support. In a way this is what the US in the RPG is like very much. It is not perfect but it is doable for many.
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Reply #2469 - Jun 20th, 2017, 11:33am
 
For the world that The Nobody created to work, many fiat currencies would have to suffer the same fate. If there is a reason for a nation to stay afloat during these hard times, I will make that exception. Japan, for example, has a couple of things going for them. Arendelle has an alliance with Charlton and a trade relationship. Israel has a lot going for them. Charlton has an economic relationship with the Republic of Texas and the towns along the Charlton Railroad. I have not mentioned them before but Solingen also has a trade relationship with Charlton.
 
You mentioned services. Before the Happening the Texas Spirits had power plants along their railroad to supply power to the train stations, railroad crossings and other essential structures. Selling remaining power is not a problem and those power plants were likely connected to the local power grid. So what happened when people stopped trusting Spirits in general? Did they disconnect and began to get power elsewhere?
 
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