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After Chaos (Read 186909 times)
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Reply #600 - Apr 1st, 2016, 2:06pm
 
"I was not there and nobody I trust was there to tell me what happened. Therefore, I don't know what happened. You say there is only one of two things that could have possibly happened. Moro swears she did not kidnap Elsa because the Texas Spirits made an alliance with the king of Arendelle. If these are only possibilities, and no more, then only the second possibility can be true. Are you with me so far?
 
"For the sake of discussion the Texas Spirits misrepresented themselves and entered into an alliance: defending the kingdom in exchange for Elsa. Misrepresenting or not, a deal remains as long as both parties uphold it. Hikaru, a person I trust, stated facts that can be used to verify that the Texas Spirits upheld their end of the deal. If Elsa belongs to you, am I her mother?
 
Jeanette considers a third possibility. "What if these Spirits traveled to 1491 and established Charlton as a city-state? That has not happened in our point of view; it could have in another. Would Charlton, a city-state, be under Spanish rule? The Texas Spirits would not be misrepresenting themselves by saying they are from Charlton or courting treason with the Spanish throne."
 
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Reply #601 - Apr 1st, 2016, 2:47pm
 
"Look at the history - The Spanish conquest of the Aztec and surrounding native  Meso-Americans puts it under Spanish Rule. Thus it proves the point, if they created a city in the Americas and the Spanish were so able to go in and conquer the city, then how are they going to defend Arendelle? They can't. Arendelle defended itself as the spirits watched history unfold. The thing is this - they had to have a minimal hand in such historical manipulation in order not to be caught by the Time Police, and with the evidence presented now, they are getting caught with their pants down." He tells her, adding, "Your trust in Hikaru, though valid, you need to realize that she too is a victim of this historical manipulation as she remembers what had happened having lived through it, but the events she was influenced under may have been manipulated by the spirits as well. Thus she is a tainted source of information though to her that information is as true and valid as she is herself."
 
He thinks for a moment before adding, "OK. Lets say that under Moro's point of view (POV) she did not kidnapped Elsa. Lets even say that she has permission to take care and provide guardian services to Elsa. Lets give her all that. As such anytime she takes Elsa out, she has to notify the king and queen where she is going with Elsa and when they should return. Did she notify them that she was going to take Elsa out on a trip? Chances are not. Furthermore, it is Moro's words that says she has no intention of returning Elsa. Those two things makes Moro's action as a crime of kidnapping if we take option #1 for what it is. It does not matter what her intentions are or if they were of a good or bad actions of intentions, it is that they were done in the first place. That is what makes it a crime. Saying 'I'm sorry' is not going to patch things up and make everyone happy, she needs to either face the consequences or undo everything she has done and she still has to face consequences for her actions though the undoing of her actions will lessen the consequences. We'll discuss option #2 when you tell me of your opinion of this."
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Reply #602 - Apr 1st, 2016, 5:21pm
 
"The conquest of the Aztecs happened in our point of view. The city of Charlton did not exist at that time in our point of view. Therefore, in our point of view, it is impossible to conquer a city that did not existed then.
 
"Since the city of Charlton was not defeated in our or any other point of view, that question is invalid.
 
"In our point of view Elsa defeated Napoleon's army. As a result of Elsa's display of power, the kingdom of Arendelle divided into the Nordic countries we know.
 
"You said you are part of this world's Time Travel Enforcers against those who would try to alter history just to get rich, become famous or rescue a loved one. Are those the only situations in which the time police can act?
 
"In Moro's point of view, Elsa was adopted. Since Elsa was adopted, in Moro's point of view, Moro can say Elsa will not be returning to Arendelle.
 
"Because Elsa was adopted in Moro's point of view, there isn't a second option." The more Fernando tries to prosecute the Spirits without evidence, the more Jeanette believes the Spirits may be innocent of all charges.
 
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Reply #603 - Apr 1st, 2016, 11:16pm
 
Hondo and Valentine went around the first town staying far enough away to barely been seen as a dust cloud by any type of binoculars or gun sight. The sun was setting fast as they tore across the country side.  Before too long they saw some run down, burnt out buildings ahead and passed a man with a huge chicken. The both had to a double take on that but, with the rumor of mutants and the like they had a feeling the weirdness was only just beginning. Not much further along the at times barely discernible road they saw the VW van with ambulance markings. They slowed down and pulled up alongside.  Hondo rolled down a Window when he saw Fernando.
 
Hondo: Howdy Jefe. Looks like it’s a good thing we came along, our idea or not.  You don’t look very well supplied for this shit.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #604 - Apr 1st, 2016, 11:26pm
 
"As history has it, the Spanish conquered all the lands of Central and South America, including Mexico to the South and from Texas to Montana to the North and California to Washington to the west. When American Settlers came to the west for the gold rushes, Spanish settlements were already in place. Thus what settlements the Spirits may have had at the time, were taken over by the Spanish." He explains.
 
"And what is wrong with the Nordic countries? They can separate into their own nations and still be part of a greater empire. The USSR was like that - several nations forming the Soviet Union, and the USA - 50 states making up the USA nation. All those Nordic countries can establish their own borders but still be part of the Arendellian Empire. Nothing says that one can have both." He continues.
 
"Something my sensors on the moon based picked up, which I have ignored but I think this makes any case possible from this - These Texas spirits have made too many mistakes and are now trying to cover up for them and repair them. their own kind have stated so. All I'm asking is that they admit that all that they did is wrong and then do right in correcting them. If they continue - with their current path, they are making it worse for themselves and everyone they involve. I do not give a mutant rat's ass about Moro adopting Elsa. As a Royal, I know that is to be not true to fulfill an alliance with any kingdom. But if she want to continue with that guise, then so be. I do not want to deal with her, I do not want to see her. you can release her from her chains if you are so inclined in believing that the wolf is sheep's clothing is innocent. But if she runs away, if she takes Elsa with her, I'm returning her corpse to Elsa's father. I do not want to deal with her. Got that?!"
 
He presses play on his small recorder he has on him and let Jeanette hear the following:
Quote from Jeanette on Oct 3rd, 2015, 7:54pm:

"If that man is speaking the truth, the Texas Spirits are a bunch of idiots."

 
Fernando sees the truck pull up along side of him with the window rolling down and Hondo giving his salutations.
 
"Yo Hondo, I'm glad to see you here. At least I now know I'm safe here." Fernando says as he looks over both trucks, and the equipment they are hauling - a full sized camper in the larger of the two trucks as he continues ans waves at the driver in the second truck, "I assume that is Valentine? And what kind of facilities you got in this rolling mansion on wheels?"
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Reply #605 - Apr 1st, 2016, 11:53pm
 
Hondo: Yup, Val's with me. We were headed to set up a safe house in Montana when were were zapped to this hell hole of a time line. The camper can sleep 6, 8 if we squeeze 'um in, the truck can sleep 2 as the rear seat folds down into a bed as does the back seat of the bronco. We have full kitchen, bathroom, shower, computers, radios, entertainment systems and food to feed a tribe for a year! Got a list of our provisions 'round here somewhere. Damn road shook the hell outta some of my organization. Hell, we have camping gear, heaters, extra fuel, water an' even an extra compostn' comode in the trailer. Plus guns an ammo enough to  fight the civil war twice. planned on stockin' the get away cabin good. guess it was good timin' that we were zapped here or it was planned. We heard 'bout you an' Tammy, sorry 'bout that by the way, but couldn't find you. hell, no one has heard from you in over 6 months! We figured you were on a mission. thought right but didn't think it'd be in a mess like this.  
 
Valentine by then had shut down the 4 door bronco and headed over. to join them.
 
Val: We were wonderin' if we were gonna meet up with ya there for a bit.
 
Hondo: Yeah. things got dicey for a bit. I'll fill ya in then you can fill me in an' introduce me to your motley group.
 
Hondo then proceeded to tell Fernando about their encounters so far with Valentine filling in the info from her side.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #606 - Apr 2nd, 2016, 12:28am
 
"I see. Though there were something going on with these so-called spirits, this just proves that there are more than one group." Fernando tells them. "So, you know of Jeanette, this is her in person. She's driving that other VW Camper, it is powered by gasoline and propane from what I can gather. I drive this one, its totally electric and the solar panels are to charge the batteries while it is parked but that can take a day or two. Both can go up to 80, but as you know, they are not safe past highway speed though the one I had long ago I pushed over 100. The tall skinny one is Hiakru, Arik's wife when he was alive. The others are girls from some orphanage in Texas, and the Texas Spirits are the ones who gathered us together. According to them we are supposed to rescue some mutant girl with wings, but I caught that one in chains in few lies I will explain later but she kidnapped the Arendelle Ice Queen as a child and refuses to return her home. So Jeanette and I are 'discussing' a few points about history and the law. The little one is Anna, Elsa's sister which I temporary brought over for them to reconcile their differences and as soon as they get a hotel room, she will be sent back home. The Asian one is part mutant feline and likes to catch mice, her name is Chihiro. That other one who looks like a Che Guevera's girl scout cookie seller is Danielle. And oh yeah, the one in my camper is Macey, I'm taking her in as daughter number 7. She's coming from a bad situation so, you can guess how that can be. I'll explain when we got the time."
 
He then lets out a sigh, "Six months huh?" He then turns to Jeanette - "LUCY! YOU GOT SOME 'SPLAINING TO DO!"
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Reply #607 - Apr 2nd, 2016, 10:48am
 
"That is the history in our point of view. If the Texas Spirits did establish a settlement in the king's point of view, how could it be taken over by the Spanish? The same group who made every attack against Arendelle mysteriously fail can make every attack against Charlton mysteriously fail.
 
"I did not say there is anything wrong with that. I'm just stating that is what happened in our point of view.
 
"And what if the only thing they did wrong is alter history? If altering history is their only crime, what are they to do to correct it?
 
"In our point of view a princess was never adopted to forge an alliance; is that outside of the realm of possibility?
 
"Moro and Elsa are not to disappear."
 
Quote from Fernando on Apr 1st, 2016, 11:26pm:
He presses play on his small recorder he has on him and let Jeanette hear the following:
Quote from Jeanette on Oct 3rd, 2015, 7:54pm:

"If that man is speaking the truth, the Texas Spirits are a bunch of idiots."

"I have not heard that in it context. I don't know why the voice said what she said."
 
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Reply #608 - Apr 2nd, 2016, 11:06am
 
"You know Hikaru Pointer from The Acorn Café."
 
Quote from Fernando on Apr 2nd, 2016, 12:28am:
He then lets out a sigh, "Six months huh?" He then turns to Jeanette - "LUCY! YOU GOT SOME 'SPLAINING TO DO!"

"What is there for me to explain? I have to defend the Texas Spirits since you continue to make accusations against them without evidence. The only evidence we know to exist is they have altered history."
 
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Reply #609 - Apr 2nd, 2016, 11:38am
 
"When Americans came to Texas and beyond, they found nothing but Spanish settlements and towns from Louisiana to the Pacific Coast from California to Cananda, including Charlton, Texas. This either means that the spirits abandoned Charlton or they were conquered. Whether it is truth or fiction that they were conquered, the truth as per our point of historical view is this - In dealing with the Spanish in the Americas, they could not defend Arendelle. If they split their forces to defend both Texas and Arendelle then they were not strong enough to uphold their contract in defending Arendelle and did nothing during the Napoleonic Wars to help out Arendlelle. At the same time, they were not strong enough to defend their settlements in Texas against the Spanish. So they lost that too. Militarily speaking, any army that comes in to settle an area and then split their forces to defend areas far away will lose any war thrown at it, no matter how technologically advanced they might be because they will not have the number of manpower to support their technology to successfully defend an area they originally had. This happened to the British, the French, the Chinese, the Germans, the Japanese, the USA and many others. You should sit down and read 'The Art of War.' to understand that. Until you do, face one fact that is glaring in your face - the Spirits failed, they are failing now. They are nothing without us - Jeanette. Nothing. Why else send us to rescue Gabrielle when they can do it themselves. Why take a child when they could do what she could do themselves? Think about it, Jeanette. We are nothing but resources to these spirits - human recourses... in short - slaves." Fernando throws at her.
 
Fernando gets back into the driver's seat, "Now, unless you want to be out here when it gets dark, we should be leaving for the next mutant friendly town."
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