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Re: After Chaos
Reply #590 - Mar 31st, 2016, 12:00pm
 
"First off, I did not know you were incapable of having children, but Moore's law states that ever so many years, Man's knowledge and technology expands exponentially, to the point where we ill be god-like in our abilities. This would happen according to his theory before 2020 or shortly after that. Thus by then there should a be cure for you by then if you so want it." Fernando begins.
 
"But enough of that. Arendelle could not have made a deal with Texas back in 1803 as it was under Mexican Rule during those days. That deal would have to have been made with Mexico. The fact that Texas because a state of the United States because Mexico lost the war they had with the USA. Thus the spirits failed in protecting Texas then from take over and Arendelle  would have known about it as much of Europe was interested in how the USA was forming and wanted in on its natural resources through trade and economic alliances. In seeing the Spirits fail, Arendelle would have demanded Elsa's return. In Texas failing in 1803, no one would have wanted an alliance with them. In that I can deduce that somebody lied about Texas' ability to produce natural resources on a vast scale when back then it was sparsely populated and resources like oil not tapped into until the late 1800s." He continues.
 
After a brief pause, he continues, "Further more, the wars won by Arendelle was because no invading army could go in during their harsh winters and cold summers. There were no reports in the historical events of an amassed Arendelle army or of 'lightning bolts' falling from the skies that decimate an invading army. Therefore, what wars Arendelle won was from their own ability, and I would dare say from environmental influence from the adult Ice Queen you have in you have in your camper as a child. In 1803, Texas has nothing to offer Arendelle to form an alliance, not the people, not the ability to take natural resources, not the ability to ship goods. Remember, to get to Arendelle would be by ship, that means to go across the Gulf of Mexico, the Caribbean Sea, The Atlantic, and then the Baltic Sea, a 3 to 4 months trip at best. But in the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea there are pirates who raid and sink ships for their cargo. And if the pirates did not raid and sink your ships, the seasonal hurricanes would. According to Spanish records, out of every 8 or 9 ships they sent to Mexico to get Mexican gold and Spices, only 1 or 2 would survive the trip back to Spain. Arendelle would not like that as a return of investment. If they use the cloaked ships, they would be discovered, and any person of power having such a military advantage would have used it to expand their kingdom - which never happened in history. The King of Arendelle was an idiot to ignored all these facts to give up his daughter for an alliance of nothing in return to a 'nation' that does not exist. Remember back then even brightest of mind were arguing if air and its many components existed or not. You want to persuade a king that you have invisible ships floating in the sky to help? I don't care what color rabbit you pull out of your hat - I would not have fallen for that. Moro for all intents and purposes took advantage of her guardian of Elsa a step too far, kidnapped her and brought her to Texas 2066."
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Reply #591 - Mar 31st, 2016, 4:07pm
 
Quote from Fernando on Mar 31st, 2016, 12:00pm:
"First off, I did not know you were incapable of having children, but Moore's law states that ever so many years, Man's knowledge and technology expands exponentially, to the point where we ill be god-like in our abilities. This would happen according to his theory before 2020 or shortly after that. Thus by then there should a be cure for you by then if you so want it." Fernando begins.

"But enough of that. Arendelle could not have made a deal with Texas back in 1803 as it was under Mexican Rule during those days. That deal would have to have been made with Mexico. The fact that Texas because a state of the United States because Mexico lost the war they had with the USA. Thus the spirits failed in protecting Texas then from take over and Arendelle  would have known about it as much of Europe was interested in how the USA was forming and wanted in on its natural resources through trade and economic alliances. In seeing the Spirits fail, Arendelle would have demanded Elsa's return. In Texas failing in 1803, no one would have wanted an alliance with them. In that I can deduce that somebody lied about Texas' ability to produce natural resources on a vast scale when back then it was sparsely populated and resources like oil not tapped into until the late 1800s." He continues.

Jeanette thought Fernando knew she isn't able to have children. That's not important for this discussion.
 
"As I learned three weeks ago, something we talked about over E-mail, the Spirits we are currently dealing with are descendants of a group from Japan. Therefore, there couldn't have been Spirits in Texas in 1803 except for Native American Spirits. According to Moro, the alliance was made with the Texas Spirits and not with any form of government in that region of that time. According to Moro, Elsa was adopted four months ago. It stands to reason time travel was involved and we both know the Texas Spirits are capable of time travel. Time travel and the order in which things happen can be confusing so let me break this thing down:
 
One, at some point in history, I don't know when, a group of Spirits from Japan settled in Texas and became known as the Texas Spirits.
 
Two, in 2066 a group of Texas Spirits traveled to 1803 Arendelle, or earlier, to forge an alliance.
 
Three, a group of Texas Spirits return from 1803 Arendelle back to 2066 Texas, leaving Spirits and ships behind to defend Arendelle, and bring Elsa with them."
 
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After a brief pause, he continues, "Further more, the wars won by Arendelle was because no invading army could go in during their harsh winters and cold summers. There were no reports in the historical events of an amassed Arendelle army or of 'lightning bolts' falling from the skies that decimate an invading army. Therefore, what wars Arendelle won was from their own ability, and I would dare say from environmental influence from the adult Ice Queen you have in you have in your camper as a child. In 1803, Texas has nothing to offer Arendelle to form an alliance, not the people, not the ability to take natural resources, not the ability to ship goods. Remember, to get to Arendelle would be by ship, that means to go across the Gulf of Mexico, the Caribbean Sea, The Atlantic, and then the Baltic Sea, a 3 to 4 months trip at best. But in the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea there are pirates who raid and sink ships for their cargo. And if the pirates did not raid and sink your ships, the seasonal hurricanes would. According to Spanish records, out of every 8 or 9 ships they sent to Mexico to get Mexican gold and Spices, only 1 or 2 would survive the trip back to Spain. Arendelle would not like that as a return of investment. If they use the cloaked ships, they would be discovered, and any person of power having such a military advantage would have used it to expand their kingdom - which never happened in history. The King of Arendelle was an idiot to ignored all these facts to give up his daughter for an alliance of nothing in return to a 'nation' that does not exist. Remember back then even brightest of mind were arguing if air and its many components existed or not. You want to persuade a king that you have invisible ships floating in the sky to help? I don't care what color rabbit you pull out of your hat - I would not have fallen for that. Moro for all intents and purposes took advantage of her guardian of Elsa a step too far, kidnapped her and brought her to Texas 2066."

"From the conversations I had with you today, I know we share the same point of view. In that point of view Queen Elsa defeated Napoleon's army. However, that demonstration of power divided Arendelle into the Nordic countries you and I know. Hikaru has a different point of view. Hikaru did not say anything about an amassed Arendelle army or lightning bolts falling from the sky. She talked about invasions mysteriously failing.
 
"Remember, we're not discussing wooden sailing ships. The Texas Spirits have space ship. Everything you just said about wooden sailing ships do not apply.
 
"It has never happened in our point of view.
 
"What facts did the king ignore in Hikaru's point of view?
 
"If that is what happened, the Texas Spirits must have put a lot of time with just the planning. It does not include the time to execute the plan. For all we know, that could have taken years.
 
"Let's bring this back to my question. Is there a way to verify that in 1803 the king of Arendelle forged an alliance with the Texas Spirits? The verification may or may not say Texas Spirits, I don't know either way. If everything I'm hearing is true, wouldn't there be some record of the king of Arendelle forging an alliance with a governing body that fits the description of the group we are dealing with?"
 
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Reply #592 - Mar 31st, 2016, 8:18pm
 
"Such an alliance would be hard to prove because of the historical facts. I'm just saying that because the USA the Louisiana Territories from the French in 1803. With this money, Napoleon bought goods and and weapons to continue on with his European Conquest. Texas at the time was part of Mexico and was a Spanish Colony, and this was before the French Bourbon take-over of the Spanish Throne, and removal of my last name from the family line. But unknown to them, my surname continues as part of the multi-part Spanish surname list though the Bourbons tried to hide it. With Texas under Spanish Rule, the King of Arendelle would know that Texas is part of Mexico and part of the Spanish-American Empire. Any idiot who would dare represent themselves as a citizen or ruler of a free Texas Republic - would be courting treason with the Spanish Throne, which includes me as one of their many descendants, so if you think I do not have a reason to kill Moro then for kidnapping Elsa, I do now as she is a terrorist, rogue and so-called freedom fighter against Spain and the Spanish Throne. She can be my prisoner for me to do to her as I will, and I will drag her corpse back to 1803 to the Arendelle King and show him his failure to his face before I smack down his wife for being a bad mother to Elsa. So choose your words carefully, Jeanette. You are standing on thin ice that is cracking under your feet." Fernando explains.
 
After a pause to clam down, Fernando explains, "The gulf coast is filled with pirates, from Florida to Central America to northern South America along every port city there is to dock a sailing ship to. They are always looking for ways to infiltrate and steal cargo. A cloaked space ship would not be cloaked while in port while cargo is being put in or taken out of it. If it were, one needs to explain why people and cargo disappear and moving cargo around and figure out a way to infiltrate that as gold and resources are tracked from the mines to the ships for delivery. Then word would be out of these spaceships and they would try take one over. It is how pirates operate. A cloaked ship would not be a secret for too long, because the price of information would be too great to snatch the riches inside. A price so high that will be paid in blood and death if need be. I'm no master but I did play the spy-game for god and country so well to have lasted this long, so my insight on the subject is... valuable. Most spies are dead by the time they reach 35, and rarely does one reach their 40s, it is the old retired ones you need to worry about because they know and do things to have lasted that long - remember that."
 
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Reply #593 - Mar 31st, 2016, 9:55pm
 
"As I had explained, these Spirits were not in or from Texas in 1803. The Texas Spirits who traveled from 2066 to 1803, traveled to Arendelle, NOT Texas, Mexico or any land under Spanish rule. The ancestors of these Spirits are from Japan. Therefore they could not be a terrorist, rogue or freedom fighter against Spain or the Spanish throne." Jeanette opens the side door of the gas Camper and sticks her head in. "Moro, when did your people move to Texas?"
 
"At the beginning of World War II."
 
Jeanette was thinking it was later. She closes the door. "Moro's ancestors moved to Texas at the beginning of World War II.
 
"About the gulf coast filled with pirates, are we still talking about 1803?"
 
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Reply #594 - Mar 31st, 2016, 11:03pm
 
"The King of Arendelle would not see it that way. You tell him you're from Texas, he is going to think you're from Texas of 1803. He is not able to understand science, time travel, cloaked space ships, so on. He does not have the intelligence, the reasoning or the mental capacity to understand any of that. To him the Earth was just proven to be round just a bit over 300 years ago, in fact Australia and Antarctica has yet to be discovered! And all he knows about sex is putting his penis inside his prude wife's vagina and 'POOF!' she gives birth to a baby after 9 or so months of growing fat! The microscope has not been invented yet so he knows nothing about sperm cells or egg cells or other cells and bacteria. And he only knows that time goes forward as the most advanced time piece he has is the clock in the Town Square to rival London's Big Ben. To him you can not go back in Time - never! The passage of Time is one that can never be reversed - as per God's choosing and creation! So in his mind - in his limited ability to reason - you tell him you are from Texas, he is going to think you are from Mexico or Spain of 1803! 2066 does not exist to him, and you tell him that you are from 2066, he will throw you in the dungeon to get your head chopped off as entertainment because such madness needs to be eliminated before it spreads to others! Understand that!" Fernando holds back from yelling at her.
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Reply #595 - Mar 31st, 2016, 11:21pm
 
((In collaboration with Fernando))
 
Mean while, elsewhere on this hellish nightmare of what was left of earth, Hondo an' Valentine Had not heard anything other than a few blips from the radio. at one time Hondo swore he heard Fernando's voice, and a females voice that sounded all too familiar, but he wasn't sure which radio it came from at the time as he was busy engaged in other activities. After a while they decided to turn in. the CB and one of the hams on with the squelch turned way up so they would only go off if they got a close signal. The night was fairly quiet, but not too quiet as to make a body uneasy.  
 
and so the night passed and slowly gave way to morning. Using info their supposed family from their future in the past gave them they knew which direction to head. after a quick early breakfast they were off again as soon as the first rays of sun shown across the vast, open prairies. about 10 am they passed a small caravan of horses and oxen pulling trailers made out of old panel vans. The caravan didn't have many people so they stopped and talked with them. they Ended up being merchants, who traveled from town to town selling special wares. They talked and traded a few items of little importance, but as they talked Hondo got the lay of the surrounding towns. Using a map, gotten from their future/past sons, Hondo had the merchants mark the town and give a quick over view of each one. after only 30 minutes they exchanged parting pleasantries and went their own ways.  
 
Hondo and Val looked over the maps with the information given and found a likely town of which Fernando might have stopped at. It would be hard pressed to get there before night fall, especially with two vehicles and the at times lack of a real road, but they figured they could push their luck a bit and maybe just make it. They tried the radio periodically but got no response. Hondo had his rig amplified pretty good but who know what might be interfering with the signal. Hondo Wondered if these spirits had anything to do with it. He was growing more so uneasy and suspicious about these creatures.
 
The rest of the day went by pretty uneventfully. They passed many remnants of old towns and places they were sure a town used to be but now there was nothing but 4 foot tall jack rabbits and the obligatory tumble weeds.
 
At a little less than an hour from night fall Hondo spotted the first sign fro town. He pulled the camper truck off to the side of the road and Val Pulled up along side.
 
Val: Anythi9ng wrong?
 
Hondo: Looks like we are 'bout an hour from town. Want to try the CB again and wait. Don' want to roll into town ifin they aren't here, or worse ifin they were here but had to leave.
 
They shut off their vehicles to save fuel and Hondo tried the radio again.




From the modified CB radio, a voice breaks the silence of the electric camper while Fernando and Jeanette discuss their facts and opinions. "This is the Vigilante Cowboy looking for the prisoner... This is the Vigilante Cowboy looking for the Prisoner. You out there Prisoner?"
 
Macey jumps onto the driver's seat and sticks her head out of the window, "Dad... some cowboy is looking for a prisoner on your radio..."
 
 
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #596 - Apr 1st, 2016, 12:07am
 
Before Jeanette could say a word, Fernando turns to Macey and growls at her "Back to your seat - NOW..."
 
As Macey jumps back to her seat, Fernando opens the door to the Electric Camper, reaches in and takes the CB microphone from the dashboard, increasing the volume of the radio as well. He hears the call again, not believing what he is hearing, "This is the Vigilante Cowboy looking for the prisoner. you out there Prisoner?"  
 
Fernando then presses on the microphone button, "This is Number 6 speaking! What is the Frequency?" Letting go of the mic.
 
"27.6550 Megacycles of riders in the sky." the voice answers.
 
"So why did the cow jumped over the moon?" Fernando asks.
 
"Because the farmer's hands were too cold." the voice replies.
 
"So it is you, VC." Fernando replies.
 
"It is us, my 'friend' is with me. Assuming that we can talk, you must be pretty near. Where are you?" the voice on the radio says and asks.
 
"Since we can hear each other clearly, I'm assuming that you are near or in a semi open town that we just left. Leave it and keep going south, I'm guessing another 30 miles or so, you will past by some derelict farm buildings, vehicle wrecks, some strange sightings and some feral humans. Eventually you will catch up to two white VW Campers set up as ambulances on the side of the road, that will be us." Fernando explains.
 
"How are the roads?" The voice asks.
 
"Drivable, but I would not race on it." Fernando says.
 
"We ain't driving VW Campers, you know my type of ride can handle what the road throws at it. We'll be there in less than half an hour, see you then!" The voice replies back.
 
"See you then." Fernando replies back on the radio before he hangs up the microphone on the dashboard clip. He then lets out a sigh as he thinks -  Hondo and his friend are here too, probably that girl-pal Hondo's been serious with for a while now. He turns in his place and faces Jeanette, "Looks like Hondo will be here in half an hour or so. You can stay here with me or get to the next town before the sun sets, I'll be waiting here for him."
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Reply #597 - Apr 1st, 2016, 8:12am
 
Hondo: YEEHAW! We found the Boss-Man! Let's Rock'n Roll country style and cross some country. We should meet up with him in 30 minutes.  
 
Val: Yeehoo! Let's get this wagon train a movin'!
 
Valentine jumped back into the bronco and fired up the engine. They took off, throwing sand and gravel as they took off. Hondo popped in an "Alabama" CD and keyed up one of his favorite driving tunes.  *I'm in a hurry to get things done. Oh I rush and rush until lifes no fun. All I really gotta do is live an' die, but I'm in a hurry and don't know why. . .*
 
 
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #598 - Apr 1st, 2016, 9:14am
 
"The Spirits may not have said they are from Texas, as I had implied. That opens up a lot of questions. Where did they say they are from? How did they establish a relationship? How did they convince the king they are able to defend Arendelle?
 
"I'll get back on the road once we finish this up."
 
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Reply #599 - Apr 1st, 2016, 11:13am
 
"And that's a problem - the Spirits are not going to say enough to clarify what they did and no way are they going to explain why they are doing it." Fernando tells Jeanette. "It is either 1) Moro took guardianship of Elsa and took it a step further by dragging her here which is kidnapping, or 2) Moro and the others misrepresented themselves by stating they are from Texas, knowing full well that the king will think of them from his time of 1803 and not the future of 2066 because in his mind, the king believes that everyone is from his time and that Time travel is not only impossible but also does not exist because science is a concept too new to fully understand and not yet accepted as fact in his time, which all adds to multiple crimes starting off with treason and heresy of the Spanish Throne. And I'm telling you, Jeanette - both are crimes punishable by death. The thing is, if she misrepresented herself and the other spirits to be from Texas which is a Spanish colony and nothing more - then to correct the situation, Elsa belongs to me as I am a living heir to the Spanish throne. It is not that I do not care, but I do not want to deal with that. She is in your camper for you to deal with, as is Moro. If Moro tries to escape - I'm dragging her dead corpse back to 1803 and expose the spirits for what they are for they are nothing more than Time Traveling child stealers. Get that point through your head and think in the King's term of his ability to reason to see how it is. It does not matter if we were there or not to witness was was said. It is to think in those terms and levels of the king's ability of his time to understand, like I said, I do not care what color the rabbit you pulled out of your hat, but in his mindset, he wants to see more as he fell for it where you and I would not because we know better."
 
He then explains, "Let me put it this way to you - I could pull off being Jesus Christ in the king's time by recreating the miracle of the 500 loaves and fishing by having a cloaked ship beam a food replicator beam through a teleporter beam and I reach into the beam and pull out loaves of bread and fish by the ton to feed over 500 people and I'll even through in some beer or wine for them on top of the bread and fish. I am not Jesus Christ, but in doing what I did in their limited mind set of god, powers, miracles, and the total lack of science and understanding, they would think I am. That is the level the king is thinking, while Moro and the spirits just gave him an act and magic show to make him think that they are something they are not. If you can get and understand that, then you can understand the crimes Moro did against the 2 houses of crowns and a little girl. As soon as we get to town, I'll send Anna back to her time."
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