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After Chaos (Read 186904 times)
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Reply #400 - Sep 20th, 2015, 2:52pm
 
"Love and affection seem to go hand in hand but yes, there is a difference. When you say 'berth' do you mean a bunk or something else?" Jeanette assumes Fernando means something else.
 
"I want to be completely honest about something you said. I have no objection to a girl going about her day in the nude but no strutting around in the nude. I hope I'm clear on the difference. Also, at the very least, a girl needs to wear something such as panties or a gown to bed.
 
"Anyhow, Macey sounds like a challenge even if her mother is lying about the dogs. And . . . I don't I'm the best person to teach her."
 
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Reply #401 - Sep 20th, 2015, 3:31pm
 
"Huh boy... By 'berth' I mean the figurative construct of the word of giving a person some freedom in what they do and or say but at the same time limiting those freedoms with-in a specific realm. With Macey - she's a 12 year old girl, so she should be treated and dealt as such but because she has seen and perhaps done more then some boundaries should be expanded but still contained and limited within her age bracket. I've known girls to be sexually active and sexually curious at 12 and younger, and I have known girls not to reach that stage until their mid 20s, each case is different. I'm just going to treat Macey like a rape victim - ie: a broken girl. In that it requires a lot of patience and a lot of positive reinforcement to her to act in an acceptable manner with the others." He explains. "As for PJs and underwear and those sort of things, it will be what she is most comfortable with, though she will be covered. The issue, if any, is her sleeping in her street clothes because she was sleeping in the streets. There is an issue of trust that needs to be addressed with her but with time that will be solved."
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Reply #402 - Sep 20th, 2015, 3:50pm
 
In thinking, Fernando adds, "Look. You're an adult female, one who is on the far side of the sexual spectrum of being, I'm guessing here, still a virgin and a non-sexual player at your age. You are the complete opposite of what Macey is in being a 12 year old who might be sexually experienced or active but who is most certainly sexually aware. The other girls are most likely not sexually experienced or even sexually aware, but who knows. I've know girls sluts and nymphos at a young age and yet they maintained an air of being a virgin about them. I'm not saying what they are - it is on them as a girl tends to keep her sexual life  secret from everyone except for those she shares it with. But I am talking about that comparison between you and Macey, you as the adult female are to establish onto her what is acceptable behavior in public and in semi private. By semi-private - what we do together as a group like in overnight camping or sharing a large hotel room suite. Don't think that I'm going to pounce on her skinny little rear end and do her lovely, like some may have, but as her 'father' I will do what needs to be done to teach her right and wrong. I'll admit that being a father to 6 girls thus far, some of them have pushed the boundaries of Father/Daughter relationship in what they want, but some lines were never crossed between me and them and it wont between Macey and I though I am sure she is going to push against those boundaries as hard as she can to see how far they can be pushed. If she tries to push it too far, she's going to find a spanking on the other end of that boundary. As a father, I have that right though it is something I do not like to do but only do so when it is needed. I hope with Macey that I wont have too."
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Reply #403 - Sep 20th, 2015, 6:00pm
 
"On the streets? I thought she was living in the whorehouse." Jeanette stops to think about that one. "The way she looks says she lives on the streets. As for trust issues, she wanted to be my wife, a total stranger. That does not sound like a trust issue.
 
"Correct, I'm a virgin. I have no interest in sex nor a sexual relationship, male or female." Jeanette is concerned with how that sounded so she continues. "That's not necessarily for moral reasons, though I want to remain a virgin. I like the human body but I'm simply not interested . . . how do I put this?"
 
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Reply #404 - Sep 20th, 2015, 6:57pm
 
He sighs, "Once again, you missed the point. Compare, two people, one teenaged or preteen-aged sexually active, the other an adult who is not and has not been, both of the same sex gender and lets assume of the same sexual orientation. What can you say is different between them except their age? One will have a desire the other will not understand. That desire is wanting sexual companionship by any means necessary, that she would always unintentionally consider somebody else as a sexual play thing because she is making connections between sex and emotions when there is none. You, who have established that emotions and relationships do not need a sexual connection, need to teach her that. Understand now?"
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Reply #405 - Sep 20th, 2015, 7:34pm
 
"At the same time, a whorehouse is sleeping quarters to those who work in it. Therefore, Macey is doing what she can in order to survive without resorting to taking such actions. She understand that there is a connection between sex and emotions and money as per what she learned from what she has been exposed to in the whorehouse. But did she part take in those activities? Did she sold her body in order to get a place to sleep, or did she failed and had to sleep outside? We won't know until we ask and she answers. Or did she did not part take in those actions and was forced to sleep outside? Again, we won't know unless we ask and she says. So, one step at a time. I need the following for her - clothing, and medicinal anti-parasite soap or shampoo. The rest we will figure out on the way."
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Reply #406 - Sep 20th, 2015, 8:23pm
 
"Sorry, I drifted. One has a desire that the other will never understand. That desire is to have a sexual companionship with anyone who is willing to be that person. But how am I to teach that relationships do not need a sexual connection?" Jeanette disagrees with Fernando's statement that the two are of the same sexual orientation but does not want to derail the conversation further than what she already has.
 
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Reply #407 - Sep 20th, 2015, 8:36pm
 
"Lead by example, Jeanette. Lead by example. There is no other way other than that to show her the example that you are. You are not chasing Hikaru, Chihiro, Danielle, Elsa or I but we are friends who will work with each other and at times demand from one another things to keep the relationship going without involving sex. It's the form of sharing that she is not used too and needs to learn."
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Reply #408 - Sep 20th, 2015, 8:55pm
 
"I have a question regarding another member of this party. How do we help Elsa overcome her fears? She's so distant that I can't reach her."
 
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Reply #409 - Sep 20th, 2015, 10:37pm
 
"You seen my interaction with her before I left? Follow that example. As for me, when my daughters find me, I will bring Anna to her."
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