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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2420 - Jun 10th, 2017, 11:47am
 
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If you want to say that mutates outnumber mutants, that's fine. Though "The Setting and Rules" does not distinguish mutants from mutates, and lumps everyone as mutants, most who were labeled mutants are really mutates by your definition. People were born human but mutations show up later. By your definition Wesens and Haibane are actually mutates. I have no problem with this outside of the fact that people are being murdered or kidnapped and being turned Wesen against their will.
 
You are saying that Jason and his group accept Wesens but not mutants. Given that "mutants" covered both mutants and mutates, how can they know the difference? They look the same. A Wesen is a mutate. Do they accept Wesens but not non-Wesen mutates?
 
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Reply #2421 - Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 9:41am:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 2:23am:
Two issues here with that. I find it sick because Sheri and the others were never to be found. This was a situation for Jason to deal with, to accept somebody being dead though there was a slight chance that they may be alive somewhere. Now that whole situation is wrecked. Jason is never going to learn his lesson and if he dares flip out, others are going to get hurt because you as a writer would not have left well enough alone. In short, the guy has issues that Fernando spotted long ago and that is why he would not help him. Now you as a writer has compounded those issues. Innocent people within the group may die because of this, because you as a writer had pushed him over the edge.

Jason has been bugging this party to find lost family members. He needs to be careful of what he asks for. Moreover Jason has got conformation that Ned and Tina are dead. Jason may be an ass but he is also a victim.

 
Jason, though looking for his “family members,” only wants one of them to be found – his wife.  To him Wendy has a much higher priority than Sheri, Tina or the others. In that, He needs to learn that that no matter the outcome, he has to accept that his loss is from his actions. And he has to accept that no one can help him unless he helps himself first, and for him that is a long hard road of acceptance. Instead he is looking for the easy way out and to have others do his work for him because he can throw others into the sacrifice bowl if they fail in their quest to find Wendy. All he cares about is himself. And that is the point you missed.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 9:41am:
I saw two additional opportunities:

One, Sheri being dead or believed to be dead seems very convenient. While it seems like that is exactly what happened, I purposely went that direction because of how it seems, that's not what happened. There is something going on that the Texas Spirits have not been able figure out.

Two, Teri will be human again. Though she will never remember her mom, the mom will remember her. This will be bitter sweet.

 
By law, anybody missing for more the seven (7) years is written off as dead. Sheri’s been missing for eight (8) years, so on paper, she is more than dead. It is not a convenient ploy, it is what it is. In General Jastrey’s town, it is 5 years, and thus Jason has one (1) more year to find her and get her back before she is declared as dead and no one will be willing to accept in bringing back a dead person. In that there were no other opportunity for Sheri, except to be brought back as a Wesson.
 
Teri maybe brought back as a human, but that is a decision that has to b made by her; it is an option for her and the others to take, not to have it forced upon her. All the ramifications thereof will be explained to her and the others so that can decide properly.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 9:41am:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 2:23am:
You need to understand how mutations work. Plan and simple it cannot happen “any time in a person’s life.”


As you know, I did not write "The Setting and Rules." Nevertheless that is what I, and everyone else playing this RPG, follow. I listed two examples from "The Setting and Rules" that shows humans can change at anytime in their life.

 
Actually it does not say that. It says that those who visit certain contaminated areas often enough, they mutate.
 
In much of the rest of the Sci Fi world, mutants are born and mutates are created. That is the difference between the two though some stories use them interchangeably.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 9:41am:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 2:23am:
Being turned into a mutant because of exposure of something chemical or radiation is a mutate.


"Mutant" is the term used when "The Setting and Rules" was written but it does not prohibit you from using the term "mutate."

Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 2:23am:
The creation of Wessen is a predetermined alteration, addition and subtraction of a persons’ DNA to acquire the wanted results. But the unwanted results happen and one such failed example are the Mooks. A Wessen is a deliberate forced mutation of a person. So according to the rules, they can exist. “Those who spend a lot of time traveling or scavenging old cities” can be stated as one who has been imprisoned in a Lab Town and experimented on.

As I said in the last post, I'm fine with it. The problem is the statement that Wesens outnumber mutants.

 
If you conclude that mutants and mutates are the same thing then Wessens are part of the Mutant numbers. If you count them out, like I am doing, the Wessen numbers are higher in certain areas because they are concentrated in those areas.
 
 
 
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Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 2:23am:
Is it sick? Of course it is. Do those in Lab Town care about those being turned into Wessens? They do not give a Rat’s ass. These are different spirits we are dealing with – who think that man is nothing but a resource.

So far the definition of a Spirit has not been violated but I'm worried that the line may be crossed.

The Spirits are beings that take on animal forms, mainly crows. Some Spirits are benevolent and some are not. Benevolent or not, all Spirits hate wastefulness and destruction and want to protect Mother Earth. The Spirits (who need people) watch, protect and guide the people they select. The Spirits do not have one governing body. Example: There are Japanese Spirits and there are Native American Spirits.

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Spirits take on many forms: animal, human, and super natural. No line has been crossed here as far as that is concerned. A grey Alien is a Super Natural form, a Draconian Lizard is Lizard or Bird like, so the line has not been crossed there either.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 11:47am:
Notes:

If you want to say that mutates outnumber mutants, that's fine. Though "The Setting and Rules" does not distinguish mutants from mutates, and lumps everyone as mutants, most who were labeled mutants are really mutates by your definition. People were born human but mutations show up later. By your definition Wesens and Haibane are actually mutates. I have no problem with this outside of the fact that people are being murdered or kidnapped and being turned Wesen against their will.

You are saying that Jason and his group accept Wesens but not mutants. Given that "mutants" covered both mutants and mutates, how can they know the difference? They look the same. A Wesen is a mutate. Do they accept Wesens but not non-Wesen mutates?

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That is a line that many will take. They know that Wessens are made from animals but they do not know that they are made from Humans converted to animals. Thus many human attributes are held in take. Also, It does not affect Neural pruning because nothing is added, like in the case of Wings. Neural Pruning effects those which are added because there will be no neural connection for them, especially in older individuals.
 
A Mutant is despised by many as stated in the rules. But a Wessen, let’s say that somebody was able to do a sweet deal of selling a lemon-car for the price of a Ferrari. Only a select few knows that people are sent out and converted into Wessens, like Slavers, and those in high power through means of corruption. So if they want somebody to disappear, that person will be kidnapped and send to a Lab town for the conversion and weeks later a Wessen appears in town and no one is the wiser as to what had happened.
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Reply #2422 - Jun 10th, 2017, 8:07pm
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
In that, He needs to learn that that no matter the outcome, he has to accept that his loss is from his actions.

How is Jason's loss because of his actions?
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Sheri’s been missing for eight (8) years, so on paper, she is more than dead. It is not a convenient ploy, it is what it is.

The "convenience" I'm talking about is how the situation appears.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
In that there were no other opportunity for Sheri, except to be brought back as a Wesson.

How is that possible? Moro searched for Tina but could not find her because she is now Wesen. Therefore, for Moro to Find Sheri, Sheri cannot be Wesen.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Actually it does not say that.

Show me in the rules where it says there is an age limit or restriction. It seems to me you are attempting to insert something in the rules. If you want to make changes to "The Setting and Rules" because there is something in it that is in the way of a better story, we can discuss the proposed change.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
If you conclude that mutants and mutates are the same thing then Wessens are part of the Mutant numbers.

According to your definition Wesens are mutates. Your statement of Wesens outnumbering mutants had concerned me. Now we are clear on the difference between mutants and mutates. With the terminology now clear, do Wesens outnumber other mutates?
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Spirits take on many forms: animal, human, and super natural. No line has been crossed here as far as that is concerned. A grey Alien is a Super Natural form, a Draconian Lizard is Lizard or Bird like, so the line has not been crossed there either.

I had a part underlined so that you would know what I am concerned about. I included everything, underlined and not, to keep it on context. You avoided the underlined section and talked about what was not underlined.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Neural Pruning effects those which are added because there will be no neural connection for them, especially in older individuals.

If you want to make changes to "The Setting and Rules" because there is something in it that is in the way of a better story, we can discuss the proposed change.
 
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Reply #2423 - Jun 10th, 2017, 8:53pm
 
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Now that my question is answered, I made a change to Wilma's reaction to Sheri.
 
http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1428938728/2417#2417
 
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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2424 - Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 8:07pm:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
In that, He needs to learn that that no matter the outcome, he has to accept that his loss is from his actions.

How is Jason's loss because of his actions?

Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Sheri’s been missing for eight (8) years, so on paper, she is more than dead. It is not a convenient ploy, it is what it is.

The "convenience" I'm talking about is how the situation appears.

Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
In that there were no other opportunity for Sheri, except to be brought back as a Wesson.

How is that possible? Moro searched for Tina but could not find her because she is now Wesen. Therefore, for Moro to Find Sheri, Sheri cannot be Wesen.

 
You misread this. The only way Sheri could have returned is if she was a Wessen, meaning – look at Tina. Her only return is as the wessen Teri. That is what I meant.
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 8:07pm:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Actually it does not say that.

Show me in the rules where it says there is an age limit or restriction. It seems to me you are attempting to insert something in the rules. If you want to make changes to "The Setting and Rules" because there is something in it that is in the way of a better story, we can discuss the proposed change.

Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
If you conclude that mutants and mutates are the same thing then Wessens are part of the Mutant numbers.

According to your definition Wesens are mutates. Your statement of Wesens outnumbering mutants had concerned me. Now we are clear on the difference between mutants and mutates. With the terminology now clear, do Wesens outnumber other mutates?

 
It depends on the Mutates and Mutants. Wessens are at a higher number here because of the slave trade. Let’s take Pre-Civil War American History. Negroes/Blacks/African Americans/Etc slaves - outnumbers whites – both Rich Whites and Poor Share-Cropping Whites. This is because the plantations had a huge number of slaves with many having a minimum of twenty. Even Share-Cropping Whites owned 1 or 2 slaves. But because the majority of these slaves never saw the outside of their plantations, their numbers seemed small and insignificant. But in the area of their town, they outnumbered the whites significantly. IT is the same here and in a few other places.
 
Fight Town will be the opposite – Mutants will have a higher number than Wessens and even possibly humans. But this is because their numbers are concentrated there.
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 8:07pm:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Spirits take on many forms: animal, human, and super natural. No line has been crossed here as far as that is concerned. A grey Alien is a Super Natural form, a Draconian Lizard is Lizard or Bird like, so the line has not been crossed there either.

I had a part underlined so that you would know what I am concerned about. I included everything, underlined and not, to keep it on context. You avoided the underlined section and talked about what was not underlined.

 
OK, I’ll answer that for you. The statement was: “all Spirits hate wastefulness and destruction and want to protect Mother Earth.
 
This is not true. The Texas Spirits do not represent all the Spirits/ETs on Earth. There are several to many Spirit groups that would want to see the pollution and destruction done to end, but many have not done anything to stop it despite their advance technology. Others want it to continue so they can get it themselves through deals or agreements. Lastly, there is a remaining group that wants to see the waste so they can interfere with mankind and make statements in order to promote their nefarious operations. They want to continue the wars, the discontent, the economic inequality, and so on. Worst, they are the ones that abduct human individuals to experiment on, even killing them in the process.  
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 8:07pm:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 10th, 2017, 6:09pm:
Neural Pruning effects those which are added because there will be no neural connection for them, especially in older individuals.

If you want to make changes to "The Setting and Rules" because there is something in it that is in the way of a better story, we can discuss the proposed change.

Jeanette Isabelle

 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 10th, 2017, 8:53pm:
Note:

Now that my question is answered, I made a change to Wilma's reaction to Sheri.

http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1428938728/2417#2417

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My problem is not with how Wilma or Jason reacts to this. My problem is that you took character(s) that I introduced and wrote them far out of character.
 
Twice I had Fernando to tell Moro to leave Jason and drop the subject. That is where it should have been left alone. Or Moro should have talked to Fernando or Jeanette about it and act on what was discussed and agreed upon. That never happened. You took them and did with them as you pleased. I further wrote to tell Jason to leave ‘our’ group alone, instead you had him go to Moro. I wrote his reactions to show that he was emotionally disturbed. You (through Moro) did not picked that up.
 
Then you selected Sheri and had her as a Haibane which I try to explain that is not possible. She is too far advanced in age to undergo such a transformation. Her brain would have been hardwired set to the body she had and that is not going to change no matter what mutation she may have underwent. In short, with no neural connection of her wings to her brain, they would not be moveable, they would not have feeling like hands and feet, they would be limp useless numb and paralyzed set of extra appendages best to be amputated. That paints for a very ugly picture of Sheri being a Haibane. If you would have selected Sheri and left her alone as a human, though I would question why you are doing this, I would have been fine with it. Instead you took Sheri and “Jumped the Shark” with her. That is my problem with it.
 
I introduced characters and you took them and did what you wanted as you please with them. You did this to make the Spirits look good. The only thing you are proving is Future Fernando’s statement of “The Spirits should have left things alone and let them run on their natural course.” They are not leaving things alone in order to look good and they are not. They are making themselves look worse. And believe it or not, I thought the Spirits #$@!ed up and merged two individuals together during teleportation, making a Normal Sheri into a Haibane Sheri by accident. Instead you wrote that she is a mutant and got her wings later in life, which is an impossibility as per much of the Sci Fi Genre out there and the rules of Neural Pruning.
 
Tina was turned into a Wessen early on, having lived her Wessen life as Teri, both a Sex Kitten to Master Jenkins and a Living Doll and even Sex Kitten for Maribelle Jenkins. If Sheri would have survived, she would have been turned into a Wessen like her daughter and then sold to the Jenkins or to some other family.
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Reply #2425 - Jun 11th, 2017, 9:33am
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
You misread this. The only way Sheri could have returned is if she was a Wessen, meaning – look at Tina. Her only return is as the wessen Teri. That is what I meant.

I can only think of three possible ways in which Sheri could be alive. She would either have to be an Immortal, Haibane or Wesen. Once you figure out why a human becomes Haibane, then you will understand how it is possible for Sheri to be alive.
 
Once you figure that out, you may wonder why there aren't even more Haibane. I too wondered about that. The series Haibane Renmei does not answer that question.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
Let’s take Pre-Civil War American History. Negroes/Blacks/African Americans/Etc slaves - outnumbers whites – both Rich Whites and Poor Share-Cropping Whites. This is because the plantations had a huge number of slaves with many having a minimum of twenty. Even Share-Cropping Whites owned 1 or 2 slaves. But because the majority of these slaves never saw the outside of their plantations, their numbers seemed small and insignificant. But in the area of their town, they outnumbered the whites significantly. IT is the same here and in a few other places.

I'm satisfied with that explanation.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
OK, I’ll answer that for you. The statement was: “all Spirits hate wastefulness and destruction and want to protect Mother Earth.

This is not true. The Texas Spirits do not represent all the Spirits/ETs on Earth. There are several to many Spirit groups that would want to see the pollution and destruction done to end, but many have not done anything to stop it despite their advance technology. Others want it to continue so they can get it themselves through deals or agreements. Lastly, there is a remaining group that wants to see the waste so they can interfere with mankind and make statements in order to promote their nefarious operations. They want to continue the wars, the discontent, the economic inequality, and so on. Worst, they are the ones that abduct human individuals to experiment on, even killing them in the process.

The profile I wrote is for ALL Spirits, not just the Texas Spirits. If you want to write Spirits, follow the profile.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
My problem is not with how Wilma or Jason reacts to this. My problem is that you took character(s) that I introduced and wrote them far out of character.

Twice I had Fernando to tell Moro to leave Jason and drop the subject. That is where it should have been left alone. Or Moro should have talked to Fernando or Jeanette about it and act on what was discussed and agreed upon. That never happened. You took them and did with them as you pleased. I further wrote to tell Jason to leave ‘our’ group alone, instead you had him go to Moro. I wrote his reactions to show that he was emotionally disturbed. You (through Moro) did not picked that up.

Then you selected Sheri and had her as a Haibane which I try to explain that is not possible. She is too far advanced in age to undergo such a transformation. Her brain would have been hardwired set to the body she had and that is not going to change no matter what mutation she may have underwent. In short, with no neural connection of her wings to her brain, they would not be moveable, they would not have feeling like hands and feet, they would be limp useless numb and paralyzed set of extra appendages best to be amputated. That paints for a very ugly picture of Sheri being a Haibane. If you would have selected Sheri and left her alone as a human, though I would question why you are doing this, I would have been fine with it. Instead you took Sheri and “Jumped the Shark” with her. That is my problem with it.

I introduced characters and you took them and did what you wanted as you please with them. You did this to make the Spirits look good. The only thing you are proving is Future Fernando’s statement of “The Spirits should have left things alone and let them run on their natural course.” They are not leaving things alone in order to look good and they are not. They are making themselves look worse. And believe it or not, I thought the Spirits #$@!ed up and merged two individuals together during teleportation, making a Normal Sheri into a Haibane Sheri by accident. Instead you wrote that she is a mutant and got her wings later in life, which is an impossibility as per much of the Sci Fi Genre out there and the rules of Neural Pruning.

Tina was turned into a Wessen early on, having lived her Wessen life as Teri, both a Sex Kitten to Master Jenkins and a Living Doll and even Sex Kitten for Maribelle Jenkins. If Sheri would have survived, she would have been turned into a Wessen like her daughter and then sold to the Jenkins or to some other family.

Do you want me to delete those posts?
 
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Reply #2426 - Jun 11th, 2017, 5:46pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 11th, 2017, 9:33am:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
You misread this. The only way Sheri could have returned is if she was a Wessen, meaning – look at Tina. Her only return is as the wessen Teri. That is what I meant.

I can only think of three possible ways in which Sheri could be alive. She would either have to be an Immortal, Haibane or Wesen. Once you figure out why a human becomes Haibane, then you will understand how it is possible for Sheri to be alive.

Once you figure that out, you may wonder why there aren't even more Haibane. I too wondered about that. The series Haibane Renmei does not answer that question.

 
With thousands and possibly millions of mutation possibilities out there, there would be less Haibanes out there as there will be other kinds of mutants out there among the numbers. For example, Lieutenant Benson has 6-fingers. Who knows what other mutations she might have covered up by her clothes, but she is just a few of them. But in having it this way, you are limiting and even crippling this world in the number of possibilities of mutations out there.
 
If you want to consider that the mutates are mutants, for the sake of argument there is and we can call them all as Mutants, then there are two types – Natural Mutants, and Artificial Mutants.
 
Natural Mutants are either born or created by exposure to radiation or chemical. Of the two, Natural is better because a person has a whole life to obtain the abilities of the mutation and perfect its use. An added benefit is that they have a natural life. Exposure to radiation or chemical, one is suddenly given a mutation and little to no time to adapt to it. Furthermore, the exposure itself could have poisoned them into a shorter life span. They can become the most powerful mutant around, but being limited to years, if not months, being all that powerful does not amount to a hill of beans when one wants to live longer.
 
Artificial Mutants are those created in the Lab like Lab Town. This can be small or a large Lab doing this. Why? Who knows, who cares. But in doing they have created things like Wessens and Mooks. (Mooks can also be the result of a Natural Mutant exposed to something out there.)
 
I have seen Haibane Renmei, and it is a rather boring anime. If you want to discuss mutants and prejudices, you should watch or read Elfen Lied and Brynhildr in the Darkness. Warning, they are very graphic and with Elfen Lied it goes past into an extreme, but in both it is a love story within the characters. I would prefer that you do both, watch the animes and read the mangas. The Mangas go into areas not covered in the Animes, and in fact, the Animes do a lot of cutting out of details from the Mangas. For example – the Elfen Lied Manga ends at chapter 106, but the Anime ends in Chapter 73, so a lot of material missing between the anime. Haibane Renmei boring not because of its lack of graphic violence or nudity; it is boring because of lack of story sustenance. It is a copy of “one being different and hunted down because of it” prejudice. This is seen in all kinds of cartoons and comics and Haibane Renmei quickly goes nowhere with it. Even CDRR has this motif in a few of its stories.
 
If you want to talk about groups and how they should work to help each other, watch Girls Und Panzer. Both you and Arik would love that. And it is not as violent as the title would suggest – girls and tanks. Even Hondo would love it, because it is about geek girls fixing old tech that they found and restoring tanks into working competition state. And this is what the group is doing – getting vehicles and spending resources to get them running to increase the team.
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 11th, 2017, 9:33am:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
Let’s take Pre-Civil War American History. Negroes/Blacks/African Americans/Etc slaves - outnumbers whites – both Rich Whites and Poor Share-Cropping Whites. This is because the plantations had a huge number of slaves with many having a minimum of twenty. Even Share-Cropping Whites owned 1 or 2 slaves. But because the majority of these slaves never saw the outside of their plantations, their numbers seemed small and insignificant. But in the area of their town, they outnumbered the whites significantly. IT is the same here and in a few other places.

I'm satisfied with that explanation.

Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
OK, I’ll answer that for you. The statement was: “all Spirits hate wastefulness and destruction and want to protect Mother Earth.

This is not true. The Texas Spirits do not represent all the Spirits/ETs on Earth. There are several to many Spirit groups that would want to see the pollution and destruction done to end, but many have not done anything to stop it despite their advance technology. Others want it to continue so they can get it themselves through deals or agreements. Lastly, there is a remaining group that wants to see the waste so they can interfere with mankind and make statements in order to promote their nefarious operations. They want to continue the wars, the discontent, the economic inequality, and so on. Worst, they are the ones that abduct human individuals to experiment on, even killing them in the process.

The profile I wrote is for ALL Spirits, not just the Texas Spirits. If you want to write Spirits, follow the profile.

 
If this were true, then there would be no evil Spirits to cause mankind grief and sorrow throughout his existence. In fact, if this were true, then by your past explanation of what happened during the chaos, then it never would have happened because the Texas Spirits would have not done anything at all and it the events they were striving for never had happened. So according to this – this time line does not exist at all.
 
When Lucifer tricked Even into eating the apple, he probably was pissing into its roots. This is just an example of an Evil Spirit as he did not cared about the Tree of Knowledge.  In reading the old books, there two trees, the second one was the tree of life. If Eve would have eaten from that tree, she would have became an immortal as would any of her children. But Lucifer made sure that Eve paid more attention to the Tree of Knowledge and made her forget about the Tree of Life. In that, Lucifer got what he wanted - the downfall of man from the very beginning.
 
And yet Spirits, the evil spirits who are hostile to man, are still doing this to this day. You think that they would want the earth to be green and prosper? Oh hell no! They want to watch it burn by the actions of our/man’s hands! To them we are just mere entertainment!
 
The Texas Spirits are a bunch of inept idiots who are sitting with their thumbs up their asses thinking that they are the solution to the world’s problems when they are not. They are nothing more than just a bunch of egos that want to be stroked and satisfied and get up and point, “Look at what we had done!” when they did nothing! If they are as almighty and powerful as they say they are, they would not need us to do their dirty work for them. Only an evil spirit does that. So that definition goes out the window when even your own Texas spirits do no not abide by the rules.
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 11th, 2017, 9:33am:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 12:26am:
My problem is not with how Wilma or Jason reacts to this. My problem is that you took character(s) that I introduced and wrote them far out of character.

Twice I had Fernando to tell Moro to leave Jason and drop the subject. That is where it should have been left alone. Or Moro should have talked to Fernando or Jeanette about it and act on what was discussed and agreed upon. That never happened. You took them and did with them as you pleased. I further wrote to tell Jason to leave ‘our’ group alone, instead you had him go to Moro. I wrote his reactions to show that he was emotionally disturbed. You (through Moro) did not picked that up.

Then you selected Sheri and had her as a Haibane which I try to explain that is not possible. She is too far advanced in age to undergo such a transformation. Her brain would have been hardwired set to the body she had and that is not going to change no matter what mutation she may have underwent. In short, with no neural connection of her wings to her brain, they would not be moveable, they would not have feeling like hands and feet, they would be limp useless numb and paralyzed set of extra appendages best to be amputated. That paints for a very ugly picture of Sheri being a Haibane. If you would have selected Sheri and left her alone as a human, though I would question why you are doing this, I would have been fine with it. Instead you took Sheri and “Jumped the Shark” with her. That is my problem with it.

I introduced characters and you took them and did what you wanted as you please with them. You did this to make the Spirits look good. The only thing you are proving is Future Fernando’s statement of “The Spirits should have left things alone and let them run on their natural course.” They are not leaving things alone in order to look good and they are not. They are making themselves look worse. And believe it or not, I thought the Spirits #$@!ed up and merged two individuals together during teleportation, making a Normal Sheri into a Haibane Sheri by accident. Instead you wrote that she is a mutant and got her wings later in life, which is an impossibility as per much of the Sci Fi Genre out there and the rules of Neural Pruning.

Tina was turned into a Wessen early on, having lived her Wessen life as Teri, both a Sex Kitten to Master Jenkins and a Living Doll and even Sex Kitten for Maribelle Jenkins. If Sheri would have survived, she would have been turned into a Wessen like her daughter and then sold to the Jenkins or to some other family.

Do you want me to delete those posts?

Jeanette Isabelle

 
You are the moderator of this thread. You decide what is to be done. Like you tell us – “this is not how it is supposed to be, change it!” it is your turn to tell yourself the same thing.
 
The options are:
 
1) Keep it as is and send this RPG into the ground.
 
2) Make changes to the entries. Either Sheri is a Wessen (even at 5% minimal DNA modification and still recognizable as Sheri) or she is a 42 year old human.
 
3) Delete the posts.
 
My preference, if you want Sheri around for some other reason, is #2. But it is your choice to make.
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Reply #2427 - Jun 11th, 2017, 7:16pm
 
You've seen Haibane Renmei and yet you don't see the connection? Let me spell it out. The Haibane are humans who have died. Sheri died so the only way she can be alive on this planet is if she is now Haibane.
 
What the series does not explain is if Haibane are humans who have died prematurely, why aren't there more Haibane?
 
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If this were true, then there would be no evil Spirits to cause mankind grief and sorrow throughout his existence. In fact, if this were true, then by your past explanation of what happened during the chaos, then it never would have happened because the Texas Spirits would have not done anything at all and it the events they were striving for never had happened. So according to this – this time line does not exist at all.

When Lucifer tricked Even into eating the apple, he probably was pissing into its roots. This is just an example of an Evil Spirit as he did not cared about the Tree of Knowledge.  In reading the old books, there two trees, the second one was the tree of life. If Eve would have eaten from that tree, she would have became an immortal as would any of her children. But Lucifer made sure that Eve paid more attention to the Tree of Knowledge and made her forget about the Tree of Life. In that, Lucifer got what he wanted - the downfall of man from the very beginning.

And yet Spirits, the evil spirits who are hostile to man, are still doing this to this day. You think that they would want the earth to be green and prosper? Oh hell no! They want to watch it burn by the actions of our/man’s hands! To them we are just mere entertainment!

The Texas Spirits are a bunch of inept idiots who are sitting with their thumbs up their asses thinking that they are the solution to the world’s problems when they are not. They are nothing more than just a bunch of egos that want to be stroked and satisfied and get up and point, “Look at what we had done!” when they did nothing! If they are as almighty and powerful as they say they are, they would not need us to do their dirty work for them. Only an evil spirit does that. So that definition goes out the window when even your own Texas spirits do no not abide by the rules.

An entity can protect the environment while kidnapping and killing humans. I don't know where you're coming from.
 
The Texas Spirits did two things that resulted in the world being the way it is today. The bigger of the two is stopping World War III. Doesn't that sound like something that a group, that wants to protect the earth and environment, would do?
 
The Spirits were not inspired by Lucifer. I don't know where you are going with that.
 
The Texas Spirits are not an ego trip. That is not their motivation.
 
Do I need to go it over again as to why our characters are there?
 
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That's a fair statement. Those posts are deleted.
 
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Reply #2428 - Jun 11th, 2017, 11:40pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 11th, 2017, 7:16pm:
You've seen Haibane Renmei and yet you don't see the connection? Let me spell it out. The Haibane are humans who have died. Sheri died so the only way she can be alive on this planet is if she is now Haibane.

What the series does not explain is if Haibane are humans who have died prematurely, why aren't there more Haibane?

 
Nobody dies prematurely, everybody dies in their own time. Because of that there are so few Haibanes.
 
And Sheri died is one of two possible outcomes. She either died or was turned into a wessen like her daughter Tina. The husband Ned was more than liked killed in trying to defend one or both, or was killed because they have little use for an aging male Wessen. But that leaves Sheri, who was most likely taken to the Lab Town with her daughter, and then forced to undergo the Wessen Procedure.
 
If you want to think this out, one who dies prematurely is one who dies from a Spirit’s action. This is because this is not ordained by God or by Human free will, but by the will of a third option that God does not like. It is those who become Haibanes.  
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 11th, 2017, 7:16pm:
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 5:46pm:
If this were true, then there would be no evil Spirits to cause mankind grief and sorrow throughout his existence. In fact, if this were true, then by your past explanation of what happened during the chaos, then it never would have happened because the Texas Spirits would have not done anything at all and it the events they were striving for never had happened. So according to this – this time line does not exist at all.

When Lucifer tricked Even into eating the apple, he probably was pissing into its roots. This is just an example of an Evil Spirit as he did not cared about the Tree of Knowledge. In reading the old books, there two trees, the second one was the tree of life. If Eve would have eaten from that tree, she would have became an immortal as would any of her children. But Lucifer made sure that Eve paid more attention to the Tree of Knowledge and made her forget about the Tree of Life. In that, Lucifer got what he wanted - the downfall of man from the very beginning.

And yet Spirits, the evil spirits who are hostile to man, are still doing this to this day. You think that they would want the earth to be green and prosper? Oh hell no! They want to watch it burn by the actions of our/man’s hands! To them we are just mere entertainment!

The Texas Spirits are a bunch of inept idiots who are sitting with their thumbs up their asses thinking that they are the solution to the world’s problems when they are not. They are nothing more than just a bunch of egos that want to be stroked and satisfied and get up and point, “Look at what we had done!” when they did nothing! If they are as almighty and powerful as they say they are, they would not need us to do their dirty work for them. Only an evil spirit does that. So that definition goes out the window when even your own Texas spirits do no not abide by the rules.

An entity can protect the environment while kidnapping and killing humans. I don't know where you're coming from.

The Texas Spirits did two things that resulted in the world being the way it is today. The bigger of the two is stopping World War III. Doesn't that sound like something that a group, that wants to protect the earth and environment, would do?

The Spirits were not inspired by Lucifer. I don't know where you are going with that.

The Texas Spirits are not an ego trip. That is not their motivation.

Do I need to go it over again as to why our characters are there?

 
Did I say your Texas Spirits are inspired by Lucifer? No.
 
Lets go into the ancient texts that are not in the bible but are written throughout literature.
 
Because of the disagreement with God about giving man a soul, “1/3 of the stars fell from the skies.” 1/3 of the angels sided with Lucifer. These are the negative spirits that work with him for the downfall of man.
 
It is say that God did not create earth and all life on it, but Lucifer did. God, furious in this creation destroyed it, and then recreated the earth as he so wanted it to be. As absurd this statement is, some claim the proof of this the dinosaur fossils and the K-Layer of space dust that shows that the Earth was hit and nearly all life on it destroyed 65million years ago.
 
Plus God has destroyed man kind or parts of it and where he once stood on more than one occasion. This does not sound like a spirit that is active in preserving the Earth or life on it. We can argue that this is God and he has the final say, but you need to think about it – if God is willing to destroy his own creation, a spirit, either good or evil, is more than willing to do the same thing. Earth Lives matter.
 
With all that in mind, preventing WWIII from happening caused something else that was much larger to happen was not protecting the Earth. So they stopped a bad event and made it worse. Why? And why such an interest in our planet? They do not belong there, they are not of the 4.5billion year of the planetary life evolution. We are nothing more than a resource to them. When are you going to get that through your head? Any intelligent life stopping by, either wants to admire the view and observe us without interference or are going to interfere with every step of our evolutionary process because we have some value to them. In this second option, we become a resource to them. We become a commodity to them. We are nothing more than something on a store shelf for them to pick and choose. At least I can trust the Dracos Lizards because they want us as food, they are our hunters. But we have an edge over them, we are humans, and that means that we have an edge, however insignificant it may be, it is there for our advantage. This and other reasons are why they find us as a threat to them. God, if man were to walk among the stars, Star systems like the Dracos Stellar Empire will fall like a house of cards they had constructed.
 
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You are the moderator of this thread. You decide what is to be done. Like you tell us – “this is not how it is supposed to be, change it!” it is your turn to tell yourself the same thing.

That's a fair statement. Those posts are deleted.

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That was one of your option to take and you took it.
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Reply #2429 - Jun 12th, 2017, 8:53am
 
I did not think the definition of dying prematurely would be so subjective.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 11:40pm:
Did I say your Texas Spirits are inspired by Lucifer? No.

Why are you bringing him into this if it were not for comparison? The subject is all Spirits hate wastefulness and destruction and want to protect Mother Earth.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 11:40pm:
This does not sound like a spirit that is active in preserving the Earth or life on it.

There is a difference between protecting the earth and protecting the humans on it.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 11th, 2017, 11:40pm:
With all that in mind, preventing WWIII from happening caused something else that was much larger to happen was not protecting the Earth. So they stopped a bad event and made it worse. Why?

The outcome turned out to be counterproductive, that is true. The Texas Spirits did not realize this until later.
 
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