Hondo's Cabin - After Chaos

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2130 - Apr 22^nd, 2017, 9:15pm

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Quote from Jeanette on Apr 22^nd, 2017, 8:35pm:

Quote from Fernando on Apr 22^nd, 2017, 8:21pm:

Like Hondo said, the wine is best kept at 60F degrees and most wine cellars are between 40F and 60F, so the refrigeration unit will just cool the air on a low setting (and freeze things on a high setting). It is not like we would be storing perishable food in there, though various food items can be stored in there that can benefit from a cool room, like Cheese, smoked meats/sausages, sacked grains and certain vegetables if she is hauling food to Charlton. But certain things from Maribelle’s clothing would benefit from a chilled room environment, like some of her silk dresses and unmentionables.

Given this and how information on the two barrels was not given Moro, what do you recommend for the climate-controlled trailer?

Jeanette Isabelle

I would recommend it, at least an insulated trailer; to keep the heat and cold out and things inside in a constant temperature. Another cold spell from Elsa and things can be lost. Like the wine bottles breaking when the wine turns to ice. Of certain foods and delicate items going bad if it got too hot (Like nylon/silk hosiery/underwear going through what is known as “Dry Rot”. Dry Rot can turn expensive items into dust. And wax make up products like lipstick melting if it got too hot).

The problem is that it will need a climate control (refrigeration/heater) for when the door is opened and all that ambient cool temperature escapes the trailer and it needs to be cooled down again. In this, the climate control until would be doing more monitoring than heating/cooling, and only need to heat or cool when needed and go back to monitoring when it is back in the temperature comfort zone. In this a smaller climate control unit would be needed as would a smaller generator for it regardless the size of the overall trailer.

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Jeanette Experianced Posts: 1154	Re: After Chaos Reply #2131 - Apr 22^nd, 2017, 9:21pm We're talking about size. What size do you recommend for the climate-controlled trailer? Jeanette Isabelle
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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2132 - Apr 22^nd, 2017, 9:35pm

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Between 16ft minimum and 20ft maximum in length, at least 7ft high and 8ft wide. Insulation is about 3 inches thick including the walls, you still have a lot of space. Rear door goes down onto a ramp and a side door to get in/out without needing to open the ramp. A "V-Nose" instead of a flat nose trailer to get a couple feet extra storage and space for the generator on the floor.

It should have 4 wheels for added stability.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2133 - Apr 23^rd, 2017, 8:15am

Quote from Fernando on Apr 22^nd, 2017, 12:14pm:

“How much you want to put down is on you. Most put down 50%, but while we discuss money, let’s check out the inventory. Maybe something will catch your eye.” Jerry leads her into the Hanger workshop and inventory store house. Moro can see several workers working each of the various projects on various stages of completion, seeing a ratty camper trailer or cargo box being taken from inventory to a work spot where several men and women clean it up and do what needed repairs needs to done to it. This one crew team per unit insures that the job of cleaning and fixing it is done right A simple paint job and new tires are put on at the last step. Jerry leads her towards the rear where the cargo boxes of various sizes and conditions are kept. “You need something insulated with climate control for your wine. Just off the top of my head, a pickup truck can safely hail around 12 tons and anything up to 20ft in length, 9ft wide and 9ft tall but you may not need anything that big.”

He points out the cargo trailers from big to small, large and tall 20 footers on one end, going to the short (5ft) 20 footers, to the 18ft, 17ft, 16ft, 15ft, 12ft, 10ft, 8ft, and 6ft cargo boxes of varying heights and conditions parked and stacked up on each other. Above them is an overhead crane on ceiling rails to take them down as needed. He adds, “Price includes cleaning, fixing, new tires and your case a working climate control refrigeration unit. A generator is not included. Prices range from $250 to $80, and the generator is another $120 to $50. It all depends on the size you get and what you add to it.”

Moro looks at the cargo trailers. "We need something somewhere between 16 and 20 feet in length, at least 7 feet tall and 8 feet wide. The insulation should be about 3 inches thick including the walls. The rear door should go down to form a ramp and a side door to get in and out without needing to open the ramp. The trailer needs four wheels for stability."

"Do you prefer a V-Nose or a flat nose?" Jerry asks.

"A V-Nose if you have it."

Note: I'll post what I can and when I can while I'm away. If I can't, I'll see you Friday.

Jeanette Isabelle

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2134 - Apr 23^rd, 2017, 5:18pm

Hondo turned an left Fernando at the motorcycles. He headed to the camper door. He made it about half way when the girls burst out of the door, both with worried looks. They plowered into him nearly knocking him down. They hugged him and asked several questions, both talking at the same time. All Hondo could do was hold them as he composed himself. "Are you ok? Where's mom? Did something happen?" Were amount their questions. He waited until the settled down then spoke.

Hondo: lets go inside. We need to talk.

The worried look on their faces only grew. They nodded silently. Tonya lead off and Hondo walked with his arm around Zoey, who clung to his side. Tonya stood in the kitchen as Hondo and Zoey sat down on the couch.

Tonya: you need anything... dad?

Hondo sighed: I'm alright.

Tonya: you sure?

Hondo: no. Not really.

Tonya: how about a drink?

Hondo: I'll take some whiskey. Don't matter which brand.

Hondo had tried to not drink hard liquor around the girls, at least until they got home and got them settled into life so he could talk to them better about it but a lot of things he wanted to do or didn't want to do we're going to be thrown out the window now he knew. Not knowing the difference of the glassesTonya brought over an old fashioned glass ( about the size of 4 to 5 shot glasses) and a bottle of jack. Hondo filled it, downed it, then filled it again drinking about a 1/3 of it this time. Tonya put the bottle back and then and went to sit on the arm rest by Hondo.

Hondo: I don't know how to tell you two this.

Hondo could see and feel them tense up. He could only guess what they felt but t he knew they had been through a lot and now they were just thinking things were going to be alright in life then this.

Tonya: is mom alright?

To be continued.....

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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2135 - Apr 23^rd, 2017, 11:23pm

Tonya sat looking at the floor and Zoey looked up at Hondo with almost scared looking eyes at his silence. He sat there staring at his drink. He could see them both in his peripheral vision. He had been trying to figure out what to do and how to tell them since they left the bar. Before he knew she was kidnapped he was worried but nothing was definite. For all he knew she could have broke down, hidden the bike and been on foot, or so he told himself but the tracks they saw said kidnapped or dead. At least he had hope that she was alive. He slowy came out of his own thought process and spoke to them, though he wasn't sure he was breaking things to them in the best way.

Hondo: I don't know, Tonya.

Zoey: Where is she?

Hondo: I don't know.

Tonya: Were you able to find anything about where she went?

Hondo: Yeah. She was kidnapped.

Tonya: By who?

Hondo: I don't know. Met some folks who were sent as messengers. Guess they weren't worth much or had been captured just to be taught a lesson. Was told some Sky Pirates lead by a nutcase from a used to be rescue group captured her for a wealthy client. Not sure exactly why but seems like tryin' to take out the slaver is the reason.

Zoey whispered: its my fault . . .

Hondo: What you say, little one?

Zoey: It's my fault! IT'S ALL MY FAULT!!!

Zoey jumped up and ran sobbing to Hondo and Val's bedroom. She threw herself onto the bed and buried her face into the quilts to muffle her crying. Tonya Jumped up and trotted after her. She promptly sat beside her bawling sister and rubbed her back as she spoke soothingly to her, trying to convince her it wasn't her fault. Hondo was moving a bit slower. he took another drink from his glass and slowly stood up. he felt old and tired at the moment, oh so very tired. He sat the half empty glass on the kitchen counter and walked into the bedroom. He sat beside Zoey on the bed and shook his head.

Hondo: It's not your fault, little one. It never was.

Zoey shook her head and sobbed: It is my fault! You must hate me!!

Hondo: Why would I hate you?

Zoey continued to sob: Because . . .you love . . Moma so much . . and .. .I . . . . .I . . . . . She's gone cause I ran away!!!

Zoey cried and gasped for breath between words. Tonya had tears rolling down her face, but it was a mix of sadness in worrying about Valentine and of feeling her sisters sorrow. Hondo pulled Zoey up off the bed and warped her in a hug, pulling her face to his shoulder. She fought at first then gave in.

Hondo: We talked about this earlier. I will never hate you. I love you and Tonya a lot. Yes, I love Valentine a lot too, more than she knows but we will get her back! Believe me.

Zoey started to settle down: But if its not my fault . . . .

Tonya: It's no ones fault.

Hondo: No, someone is always at fault. These people that did this are at fault.

Tonya: But none of us are at fault.

Hondo: I am.

Zoey: NO!

Tonya: Dad, its not your fault.

Hondo: Yes it is. If you two need to blame someone blame me. I let us be manipulated by whatever brought us here. I started the emergency purge by stopping those slavers that had Ruth, Joanna and the others, I drug Fernando into this, I wasn't there for you when Macey gave you a hard time, I wasn't here enough to run the camp so Val could have been there for you, and I let her go off alone in this hell hole without backup. I should have never done that. I got lax, I got busy and I relaxed my judgement some how.

Zoey held onto him and Tonya joined in.

Tonya: It's too much to expect out of anyone. Its not your fault. I know a lot of this wouldn't have happened if you hadn't saved us. . . Do you regret saving us? all of us?

Hondo: No, that's probably the only thing I've done good in this whole mess. I just didn't do it right. If I had to do it over again I'd still do it but I'd try to have done it better.

Tonya: What do we do?

Hondo: We get you mom, my wife, back an' if they hurt her we return their pain 100 fold. If they take her from us, we don't leave one of them standin'.

Tonya: Where do we go to find her?

Hondo: The only clue they gave us was fight town.

To be continued . . ..

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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2137 - Apr 24^th, 2017, 8:15pm

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Just looked over a few trailers and shelving. Since this would be a fixed up recycled trailer (like it has been done over the years), many would have shelving already installed. You just need to note how wide the shelving is. Assuming the trailer is 8 1/2 ft (102in), if the shelving was 3ft wide from the wall, that gives a 2 1/2 ft aisle in the middle with shelves on both sides of the trailer. If the shelving was 2 1/2ft wide from the wall, that gives a 3ft aisle in the middle with shelves on both sides of the trailer.

Trailer Shelving: https://www.adriansteel.com/item/cargo-trailers/trailer_shelving/MD4842T

Also assume that the V-Nose area will have shelving, similar to this:

Shelving for V-Nose Area: http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/parts/6x12-v-nose-detail.html

The rest is basic information to look at.

Spare Tires: http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/parts/silver-mod-wheels-detail.ht ml

20ftX8ft6inX6ft6in V-Nose trailer: http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/8-5-wide-enclosed-trailer/2012-85 x20-v-nose-detail.html

16ftX8ft6inX6ft6in V-Nose trailer: http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/8-5-wide-enclosed-trailer/our-pop ular-85-x-18-trailer-quality-construction-wholesale-price-3675-detail.html (18ft unit displayed in pic.)

Typical trailer Moro wants with ramp: http://www.usacargotrailersales.com/virtuemart/8-5-wide-enclosed-trailer/in-stoc k-now-black-or-white-or-custom-build-in-10-days-detail.html (Black one is 16ft unit)

RPG:

Jerry explains, “Generators hold about 1.5 gallons. Assuming you get the 4500watt unit, you would get about 6 hours of nonstop running time on 1.5 gallons of fuel. We have 1.5, 3 and 5 gallon extenders that sit on top of the tank and screw down to the main tank’s fuel intake. That will give you 12, 18 and 26 hours of nonstop running time.”

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Jeanette Experianced Posts: 1154	Re: After Chaos Reply #2138 - Apr 24^th, 2017, 9:38pm Note: Since insulation will be installed, shelving would have to be removed. Of course shelving can be reinstalled. For the trailer all we need is a place for 130 bottles of wine, two barrels, a few other food items, makeup and silks. RPG: "I'll take the five gallon tank." Moro says. Jeanette Isabelle
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Re: After Chaos
Reply #2139 - Apr 24^th, 2017, 9:54pm

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The boxes of wine bottle can be put on the shelves. There were 11 boxes? Counting the floor as a shelf, 3 boxes can be put on the floor under the shelves on both sides for 6 boxes. Then 3 boxes can be put on the shelf above it on one side and 2 on the other side for 5 – adding it to the 6 for 11 boxes. The Barrels can be stood up on its end against the shelf. No need for Bungee Cords for any of them as their own weight will keep them in place. Bungee cords should be used for lighter or unsecure cargo.

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Jerry takes note of this for the order. He asks, “Anything you would require?”

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