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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1970 - Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm
 
The Aliens who worked with with Nazis will be the ones the Texas Spirits in war with. Not the Nazis themselves.
The Alpha Dracos from the Draco Constellation
The Solipis Rei (aka The Greys, 1 of several Greys species, which in this case are Hostile to Humans but are under Alpha Dracos Rule) from the Bootes Constellation
and the Dracos (from the Draco Constellation.
 
They have Time Travel and Portal technology and the Alpha Dracos and Dracos are conqueror militaristic in their mind set. It is said that the Alpha Dracos have conquered over 2000 habitable worlds in their sector of the Galaxy, and the Solipis Rei's have conquered 50 in their tiny area. They have over 10million battle space ships... This is who the Spirits will be in war with.
 
This promise does not apply to the Spirits. As you so posted:
...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. -- Genesis 12:3
 
Since they are not of this Earth, they are not, can not blessed.
 
Furthering this, Jesus preaches to Love and forgive, no matter who they are. In denying others access to Charlton because of their beliefs goes against Jesus' teachings. So how can you be blessed if you do not do what Jesus requires of you to do? This is rather one sided.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Feb 13th, 2017, 4:47pm:
"In Genesis 12:3 God is speaking to Abram. 'I will bless those who bless you, but I will curse anyone who curses you; and by you all the families of the earth will be blessed.'"

"Time out! All of this because you want God's blessing?"

"Yes."


"I never heard that one before."

"God made a covenant. He can't go against His covenant. He has to bless everyone who blesses the Israelites."

Jeanette points out a potential flaw. "It says 'and by you all the families of the earth will be blessed.' You are not from Earth."

"I mentioned to you when my ancestors arrived on Earth."


 
1 - That is trying to get to God's "Good Side." You do not Brown Nose God.
 
2 - AGAIN, they are not of Earth. When God Created Earth, they were not part of his creation. Therefore, no matter how long ago they landed on Earth, means Jack Shit. THEY ARE NOT OF THIS EARTH NO MATTER HOW LONG AGO THEY LANDED ON THE PLANET BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOD'S CREATION ON THIS EARTH! This Blessing Goes Not Apply and Will Never Apply to them!
 
END OF ARGUMENT!
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Feb 21st, 2017, 8:26pm:
Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 5:12pm:
This one move of interference creates a temporal war between the Texas Spirits, and the Nazi Aliens group, which will lead to the Texas' Spirit and their home world's destruction. And for what? Rescuing dead people?

If the Nazi aliens could fight a temporal war, the Nazis would have won World War II.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 5:12pm:
Respect the dead and leave them lie where they fall. History will not be rewritten because idiots thinking that they would be on God's Good side because they helped out "his people." This is not God's work, this is not God's will, this is not what God wants because they are denying those from entering his kingdom when they were supposed to arrive.

Again, the Texas Spirits are not trying to get on God's good side. They want what God promised.

Yes the Hebrew people are God's people. The Bible is quite clear on this.

There is a clear cause and effect in the Bible. If you do A then B will happen:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. -- Genesis 12:3

There are other examples in the Bible supporting this cause and effect besides Genesis 12:3.

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Reply #1971 - Feb 22nd, 2017, 10:55am
 
If the aliens who worked with the Nazis could do this, then they would have won the war.
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
This promise does not apply to the Spirits. As you so posted:
...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. -- Genesis 12:3

Since they are not of this Earth, they are not, can not blessed.

Reread what you have quoted. I inserted what you had quoted because I knew you would bring it up. Actually what you quoted is only part of what I wrote. The part you did not include addresses the issue you brought up. The Spirits in question were already on Earth at the time the covenant was made.
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
Furthering this, Jesus preaches to Love and forgive, no matter who they are. In denying others access to Charlton because of their beliefs goes against Jesus' teachings.

Let me remind you of something I wrote.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:08pm:
Remember the reason for the change. You complained that I excluded Satanism. It was either complete freedom of religion or follow the Old Covenant. I went with the latter because Jews and at least some Christians follow the Old Covenant, what people normally call the Old Testament. That might be a way to resolve the issue over the wording. Instead of a Jewish state, call it an Old Covenant state or something along that line.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
So how can you be blessed if you do not do what Jesus requires of you to do? This is rather one sided.

God even promised to bless the unrighteous:
 
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. -- Genesis 17:20
 
Has Ishmael been blessed? Well, not only have the Arabs grown into an enormous population, far outstripping the number of Israelites, but look in our time how they have been blessed. 100 years ago the Middle East was looked upon as perhaps the most worthless expanse of land on the entire planet. Yet, there, under the dry desert sand, they have also discovered about half of the Earth’s oil reserves, which have made the Arabs among the wealthiest people in the world. Unfortunately, the Arab culture has remained tribal, and so only a few of the most powerful benefit from this vast wealth. -- http://www.torahclass.com/old-testament-studies/34-old-testament-studies-genesis /92-lesson-17-chapter17-18
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
1 - That is trying to get to God's "Good Side." You do not Brown Nose God.

Genesis 12:3 is one example. Psalm 122:6 is another example of the conditioned blessing. Isaiah 60:12 and many other scriptures lay it out what will happen if you don't bless Israel. As a side note, those same scriptures explain why the Nazis lost the war: they went against God's chosen people.
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
2 - AGAIN, they are not of Earth. When God Created Earth, they were not part of his creation. Therefore, no matter how long ago they landed on Earth, means Jack Shit. THEY ARE NOT OF THIS EARTH NO MATTER HOW LONG AGO THEY LANDED ON THE PLANET BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOD'S CREATION ON THIS EARTH! This Blessing Goes Not Apply and Will Never Apply to them!

God created everyone, even these aliens who were on Earth at the time God made that promise.
 
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Reply #1972 - Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm
 
The agreement made is for the Aliens to give plans and idea of technology to the Nazi's so the Nazi's would win the war. This clears the Alien's hands of interfering directly with interfering with Human History. It was up to the Nazis to create and use the technology, which was happening in small stages.
 
Issues were:
-Use of Slave Labor in creating this technology
 
-Slave Labor sabotaging the technology they were creating
 
-Supply lines to materials being cut
 
-Hitler deciding to take on a double front war with Brittan and the USSR.
 
-Hitler declaring war on the USA when the USA declared war on Japan
 
-Supplies running low and such technologies no longer being able to be created.
 
-Failed attempts on using advanced technologies that were sabotaged. Like all those V2 Rockets exploding on the launch pad were not a coincident.
 
-Use of replacement materials not up to par with needed materials for advanced technologies. Use of steel instead of aluminum.
 
-Development sites where advanced technologies being created and built found and bombed. Attacks on Peenemünde had killed many of their skilled slave laborers and the rocket engineers who designed them. Further attacks on Mittelwerk in the Kohnstein (Germany) basically ended their advanced technology research.
 
-USSR driving back the Germans out of Czechoslovakia made sure that they would not build the A-Bomb. Czechoslovakia was the only place in Europe where the Germans could get Uranium for the A-Bomb. The Congo was the only place in Africa where the Germans would get Uranium for the A-Bomb, where the USA drove them out of Africa a year before. The only place left was a Uramium mine in the USA. Thus the Americans were ale to get the A-Bomb and not the Germans. This is BASIC HISTORY.
 
-Without the A-Bomb and a V2 Rocket to put it on, and being outnumbered and outgunned by 3 points (USSR, UK and USA), the Germans lost the war. Again, this is BASIC HISTORY.
 
-With failure This Late into the war, the Aliens moved their Base to Antarctica with those German Engineers they could gather. Again, this frees the Aliens from interfering with Human History. Thus the rest of history.
 
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You missed the point entirely. God's covenant only applies to those of his creation on Earth. The Spirits are not of his creation on Earth. The Covenant is not for them for this reason. Just like the Covenant is not for Lucifer, the demons and the Angels, who are of his creation but they are not created on Earth. As it does not apply to them, it does not apply to the Spirits either.
 
God gave man Dominion of Earth to take care of it, to to allow any other outside being of Earth to come in and take over what Man has to do. This is what the spirits are doing - they have taken away Dominion of Earth away from Man. In that, they have gotten on god's negative side and are not worthy of such blessings. Furthermore, again, anyone seeking to receive a blessing does not deserve one. Their actions are not worthy when they do so thinking they are going to get a "prize." One does good because it is the right and proper thing to do, not because they expect a reward from their work. The Spirits are doing just that - doing such work so that they could get a reward, and therefore are not worthy of such blessings. This is Strike two against them.
 
Because of 1 (They are not of this Earth) and 2 (They think their work is going to give them a reward) they can not and will receive anything from god. Third Strike - The Covenant is only for man, not the lesser creatures or outsiders of earth. God did not create the Spirits on Earth, if he did created them, they were created outside of Earth and are not part of the Covenant. Thus the Covenant does not apply to them, only to Man. 3 Strikes, the Spirits are out.
 
You are the one posting up biblical passages, and incorrectly I will say, because you are trying to prove a point that does not exist. No where does the scriptures say that the Covenant says it apples to other beings other than man. Nowhere. And that is where you fail. The Spirits has your Jeanette character so convinced that they even have her writer that they can do no wrong. This is excrement of male bovines. The Bible, the Covenant and everything thereof is for man only, not the animals, outer-worldly beings or spiritual beings. The Spirits are not men, they are not of this world, they are not of God's creation in this world he created. The Garden of Eden was not shared with anyone else except for those of God's creation, and the Spirits were not there.
 
You lost this argument long ago. Give it up peacefully is the only recommendation I can give.
 
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Feb 22nd, 2017, 10:55am:
If the aliens who worked with the Nazis could do this, then they would have won the war.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
This promise does not apply to the Spirits. As you so posted:
...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. -- Genesis 12:3

Since they are not of this Earth, they are not, can not blessed.

Reread what you have quoted. I inserted what you had quoted because I knew you would bring it up. Actually what you quoted is only part of what I wrote. The part you did not include addresses the issue you brought up. The Spirits in question were already on Earth at the time the covenant was made.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
Furthering this, Jesus preaches to Love and forgive, no matter who they are. In denying others access to Charlton because of their beliefs goes against Jesus' teachings.

Let me remind you of something I wrote.

Quote from Jeanette on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:08pm:
Remember the reason for the change. You complained that I excluded Satanism. It was either complete freedom of religion or follow the Old Covenant. I went with the latter because Jews and at least some Christians follow the Old Covenant, what people normally call the Old Testament. That might be a way to resolve the issue over the wording. Instead of a Jewish state, call it an Old Covenant state or something along that line.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
So how can you be blessed if you do not do what Jesus requires of you to do? This is rather one sided.

God even promised to bless the unrighteous:

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. -- Genesis 17:20

Has Ishmael been blessed? Well, not only have the Arabs grown into an enormous population, far outstripping the number of Israelites, but look in our time how they have been blessed. 100 years ago the Middle East was looked upon as perhaps the most worthless expanse of land on the entire planet. Yet, there, under the dry desert sand, they have also discovered about half of the Earth’s oil reserves, which have made the Arabs among the wealthiest people in the world. Unfortunately, the Arab culture has remained tribal, and so only a few of the most powerful benefit from this vast wealth. -- http://www.torahclass.com/old-testament-studies/34-old-testament-studies-genesis /92-lesson-17-chapter17-18

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
1 - That is trying to get to God's "Good Side." You do not Brown Nose God.

Genesis 12:3 is one example. Psalm 122:6 is another example of the conditioned blessing. Isaiah 60:12 and many other scriptures lay it out what will happen if you don't bless Israel. As a side note, those same scriptures explain why the Nazis lost the war: they went against God's chosen people.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:07pm:
2 - AGAIN, they are not of Earth. When God Created Earth, they were not part of his creation. Therefore, no matter how long ago they landed on Earth, means Jack Shit. THEY ARE NOT OF THIS EARTH NO MATTER HOW LONG AGO THEY LANDED ON THE PLANET BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOD'S CREATION ON THIS EARTH! This Blessing Goes Not Apply and Will Never Apply to them!

God created everyone, even these aliens who were on Earth at the time God made that promise.

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Reply #1973 - Feb 24th, 2017, 3:07pm
 
If the objective of the Nazi aliens is to clear their hands of interfering directly with human history then why would they change their objective if the only thing the Texas Spirits did was make the Jews in the death chambers, who were going to die anyhow, disappear? Why would the Nazi aliens even care that the Texas Spirits made the Jews disappear? They are no longer in Germany. Problem solved.
 
Why would the aliens only provide plans for an atomic bomb and not something more effective such as a plasma weapon?
 
Something you said earlier struck me as strange. Why would the Nazis tear up the camp if there were no bodies in the death chamber?
 
One: Other than there are no bodies, there is no physical evidence of an escape such as a hole in the wall, floor or ceiling.
 
Two: The series of events have happened way to quickly for a room full of Jews to escape a death chamber.
 
Three: From my knowledge of history, at least some executions took place during the day. The camp is full of guards. Jews are put in the death chamber without clothes. A large group of people without clothes would get the attention of at least one guard, especially during the day.
 
Four: If the Nazis were working with aliens with advanced technology, why wouldn't they consider the possibility there are other aliens with advanced technology involved? After all, a group of people escaping so effectively, so quickly and without notice is impossible without intervention.
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
You missed the point entirely. God's covenant only applies to those of his creation on Earth. The Spirits are not of his creation on Earth. The Covenant is not for them for this reason. Just like the Covenant is not for Lucifer, the demons and the Angels, who are of his creation but they are not created on Earth. As it does not apply to them, it does not apply to the Spirits either.

The Bible neither confirms nor denies that the promise applies to people from another planet that were on Earth at the time the promise was made. Therefore, would the only way to receive that promise is if the Texas Spirits blessed God's people on another planet?
 
Despite what people originally from Earth labeled them, the Texas Spirits are not supernatural beings. Therefore, the comparison to Lucifer and his followers does not apply.
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
God gave man Dominion of Earth to take care of it, to to allow any other outside being of Earth to come in and take over what Man has to do. This is what the spirits are doing - they have taken away Dominion of Earth away from Man. In that, they have gotten on god's negative side and are not worthy of such blessings. Furthermore, again, anyone seeking to receive a blessing does not deserve one. Their actions are not worthy when they do so thinking they are going to get a "prize." One does good because it is the right and proper thing to do, not because they expect a reward from their work. The Spirits are doing just that - doing such work so that they could get a reward, and therefore are not worthy of such blessings. This is Strike two against them.

The Texas Spirits have not taken dominion over anything except for a small plot of land that they used to build their nation.
 
I gave one example, Genesis 17:20, of how people who are not worthy can be blessed. Here is another, in context:
 
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
 
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
– Matthew 5:43-48
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
The Covenant is only for man, not the lesser creatures or outsiders of earth. God did not create the Spirits on Earth, if he did created them, they were created outside of Earth and are not part of the Covenant. Thus the Covenant does not apply to them, only to Man. 3 Strikes, the Spirits are out.

These aliens are people so they qualify there. Back to another question I asked: Would the only way to receive that promise is if the Texas Spirits blessed God's people on another planet before coming to Earth?
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
The Spirits has your Jeanette character so convinced that they even have her writer that they can do no wrong.

Where did that come from? Even Moro said the Texas Spirits realized where they went wrong. They can't fix it because it would mean people who were born after The Happening would cease to exist (unless, of course, the Texas Spirits transport those people to 2010 along with Jeanette and Fernando).
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
The Bible, the Covenant and everything thereof is for man only, not the animals, outer-worldly beings or spiritual beings.

Aliens are people; they are people from a different planet.
 
Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
Give it up peacefully is the only recommendation I can give.

I came up with a suggestion to resolve another issue you complained about and I have not heard a word from you on that since. Do you want to resolve issues that can easily be resolved or would you rather complain?
 
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Reply #1974 - Feb 26th, 2017, 9:55pm
 
You need to look at history for what it was. The Nazis made the Jews their enemy for the control they had over the world at the time (read certain sections of Hitler's Mien Kampf). Over 90% of the European's economic and political power was held or controlled by the Jews because they controlled the world banks at the time. Eliminate the Jews and their banks, assert your own  world bank, and you become the one in power. That was part of their plan.
 
The Aliens did not give the Nazis the plans to the Atomic Bomb, the Nazi Scientists already had it. Remember, Einstein was a German Scientist before he defected to the USA and they had his ideas and plans to build the bomb. All they needed was 2 things: a working sample of Uranium to calculate how much was needed, and a source of Uranium to mine. Both were in the tiny nation of Czechoslovakia. Poland was between Germany and Czechoslovakia, so to get it, they invaded Poland to invade Czechoslovakia and WWII began. France and Brittan went for Poland's aide and the French ended up being slaughtered for using WWI weapons and tactics.
 
A Plasma Weapon is more complex than the Atomic Bomb and not doable with the technology the world had at he time.
 
The Nazis accounted for every body there. If a body is missing, They would find it. This is why when Allied POWs escaped the camps, the Nazi's ripped apart the camp to find out how they did it. Making sure that escape from that camp through that means would not happen again. With the Texas Spirits teleporting Jews, this is something that the Nazi's can not deal with an would request from their Alien friends help on this. Help they would receive.
 
The Nazis would send in 100 bodies into the Gas Chambers, so their know that 100 bodies would go into the incinerators. If they open the gas chambers to pull out the bodies and find them empty, they would know something is up. The Gas Chambers would operate 24/7 without stopping. If somebody did escaped, they can hide even naked. But eventually they would either be captured or manage to get away with stolen clothes.
 
There you have a point. The issue stands on a point. Most of the aliens visiting Earth are known to each other, including the Council of 5 and the Andromedian Council who both stated to leave humanity alone. The Dracos, Alpha Dracos and Solipis Rei's (one of the Malevolent Greys against humanity) made a deal with the Nazi's while trying to make themselves look as non-intrusive as possible. If the Nazis can get the bomb, they can get the Uranium which is a powerful source of energy they can use. But working in the Uranium mines is deadly work, so they rather let the humans mine it than mine it themselves. With them in controlling power of the Nazis, who would go and rescue the Jews? And where would they go? This is where the Texas Spirits would be found quickly. And for interfering, The Texas Spirits would have a problem. A major problem.
 
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If god spoke to any other creature group other than man, then the bible would be written for them and not for us. But the bible is written exclusively for us and us only. No where does it say that god spoke to any other creature except for twice: Noah's Flood, and to take care of Mary during Jesus' infancy including the manger when all the animals were given the ability to speak like humans and talk to each other, a story that not all bibles have.
 
Thus, the promise of the Covenant only applies to Man.
 
The Spirits can teleport and they can shape shift. That makes them Super Natural. Mutants with the same abilities, are also Super Natural. Being Super Natural means being able to do things that the local Natural Order of things can not do on it's own.
 
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Perfection is a trait that humans can never have but only strive for. Which is why God Loves and Forgives for our transgressions.
 
The best any person can do is try, and accordingly, fail and try again. We are not God or his angels. We are not perfect, and he understands that.
 
"It's easy to be hard. It's easy to be cold. It's easy to say no." movie/play Hair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCs1rkAXZ9o
 
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The only way for the Texas Spirits to be able to receive the Covenant is if they are of this Earth, created by God as he created this world and everything on it including Man.
 
I am not arguing that they are not people. My point is that they are not of this earth and the Covenant does not apply to them because they are not part of humanity. The Covenant is only for Humanity, no one else.
 
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Currently I am recovering. This past month I have been sick on and off partly due to some brats that if I ever catch them, I'm going to hurt them. These damn #$@!ing brats have been setting fires in the building stairwells, filling the upper floors with smoke. Everybody knows these teens are causing the fires but they disappear soon afterwards and it is a matter of catching them. Since they moved in around Xmas '16, there has been 8 hallway/stairway fires, almost one a week, with a pattern of late night or mid afternoon; times when they have been around. Of the 8 fires, I called in 3 to 911. My next door neighbor has called in 2.
 
In my weakened condition of being poisoned in '13 I have to deal with smoke inhalation on top of it because of these idiots. So I need time to recover. I just got over the flu on top of being exposed to previous smoke from past fires. Especially now since there was a fire last night at 2AM. I'm just getting tired of this, thus between my health and the RPG, the RPG can wait.
 
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Feb 24th, 2017, 3:07pm:
If the objective of the Nazi aliens is to clear their hands of interfering directly with human history then why would they change their objective if the only thing the Texas Spirits did was make the Jews in the death chambers, who were going to die anyhow, disappear? Why would the Nazi aliens even care that the Texas Spirits made the Jews disappear? They are no longer in Germany. Problem solved.

Why would the aliens only provide plans for an atomic bomb and not something more effective such as a plasma weapon?

Something you said earlier struck me as strange. Why would the Nazis tear up the camp if there were no bodies in the death chamber?

One: Other than there are no bodies, there is no physical evidence of an escape such as a hole in the wall, floor or ceiling.

Two: The series of events have happened way to quickly for a room full of Jews to escape a death chamber.

Three: From my knowledge of history, at least some executions took place during the day. The camp is full of guards. Jews are put in the death chamber without clothes. A large group of people without clothes would get the attention of at least one guard, especially during the day.

Four: If the Nazis were working with aliens with advanced technology, why wouldn't they consider the possibility there are other aliens with advanced technology involved? After all, a group of people escaping so effectively, so quickly and without notice is impossible without intervention.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
You missed the point entirely. God's covenant only applies to those of his creation on Earth. The Spirits are not of his creation on Earth. The Covenant is not for them for this reason. Just like the Covenant is not for Lucifer, the demons and the Angels, who are of his creation but they are not created on Earth. As it does not apply to them, it does not apply to the Spirits either.

The Bible neither confirms nor denies that the promise applies to people from another planet that were on Earth at the time the promise was made. Therefore, would the only way to receive that promise is if the Texas Spirits blessed God's people on another planet?

Despite what people originally from Earth labeled them, the Texas Spirits are not supernatural beings. Therefore, the comparison to Lucifer and his followers does not apply.

Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
God gave man Dominion of Earth to take care of it, to to allow any other outside being of Earth to come in and take over what Man has to do. This is what the spirits are doing - they have taken away Dominion of Earth away from Man. In that, they have gotten on god's negative side and are not worthy of such blessings. Furthermore, again, anyone seeking to receive a blessing does not deserve one. Their actions are not worthy when they do so thinking they are going to get a "prize." One does good because it is the right and proper thing to do, not because they expect a reward from their work. The Spirits are doing just that - doing such work so that they could get a reward, and therefore are not worthy of such blessings. This is Strike two against them.

The Texas Spirits have not taken dominion over anything except for a small plot of land that they used to build their nation.

I gave one example, Genesis 17:20, of how people who are not worthy can be blessed. Here is another, in context:

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
– Matthew 5:43-48

Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
The Covenant is only for man, not the lesser creatures or outsiders of earth. God did not create the Spirits on Earth, if he did created them, they were created outside of Earth and are not part of the Covenant. Thus the Covenant does not apply to them, only to Man. 3 Strikes, the Spirits are out.

These aliens are people so they qualify there. Back to another question I asked: Would the only way to receive that promise is if the Texas Spirits blessed God's people on another planet before coming to Earth?

Quote from Fernando on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:38pm:
The Spirits has your Jeanette character so convinced that they even have her writer that they can do no wrong.

Where did that come from? Even Moro said the Texas Spirits realized where they went wrong. They can't fix it because it would mean people who were born after The Happening would cease to exist (unless, of course, the Texas Spirits transport those people to 2010 along with Jeanette and Fernando).

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The Bible, the Covenant and everything thereof is for man only, not the animals, outer-worldly beings or spiritual beings.

Aliens are people; they are people from a different planet.

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Give it up peacefully is the only recommendation I can give.

I came up with a suggestion to resolve another issue you complained about and I have not heard a word from you on that since. Do you want to resolve issues that can easily be resolved or would you rather complain?

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Reply #1975 - Mar 2nd, 2017, 12:51am
 
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As Fernando and Hondo walk away from the crowd of the auditorium, General Jastrey talks to the crowd, “Now you see, Wessens are human who were turned into what they were by those with powers of metamorphosis. We are looking for a cure, but it will take a while to find it. But I better not hear that a Wessen was medical treatment because of them being a Wessen. And I better not hear about anyone holding a Wessen as a slave for that would be holding a human as a slave, and that is illegal. You all have work to do, get it done.”
 
General Jastrey steps away and towards Fernando and Hondo. They were with Maribelle and Teri.
 
“You heard General Jastrey, this girl is a free person. She is no longer your toy or your slave. You cannot order her around anymore. You are to respect her as you would yourself. Get where I am coming from?” Fernando tells Maribelle.
 
Maribelle sees General Jastrey approaching them before she bows her head and nods.
 
“Good to see her agree.” General Jastrey says as she steps up to them. She then asks, “Now what?”
 
“I need access to a lab and some equipment. Before I give a cure to anyone, there are some Wessens to cure first.” Fernando tells her. He then asks, “How many Wessens are there in the ward? Could you send a couple of your men and get me a list of all the Wessens depending on the severity of their injuries? Just slip the note under the door as I work alone in the lab. Let’s go.”
 
“I think there is a free lab by the Wessen ward that is no longer being used. It’s this way.” General Jastrey tells her.
 
The group follows General Jastrey to the lab by the Wessen ward, stopping by the door. Fernando opens the door and looks inside. Most of the equipment was stripped from the room but there was enough there for him to work with.
 
“This will do.” Fernando says to General Jastrey, adding, “Hondo, I need you inside.”
 
“Alright Jefe.” Hondo says before walking in. First thing he does is test the plumbing, finding the water to be fresh and palatable. Shutting off the water, he goes about the room and gathers the basics that were around onto a work table: a test tube rack, a few loosely found test tubes, petri dishes, a microscope and a Bunsen burner.
 
Fernando tells General Jastrey, “I do not to be disturbed while I am in here. I’ll be done in a while – however long that while takes.”
 
“I understand.” General Jastrey says to him, before turning to Maribelle and Teri and then her men, “You two come with me to my office. Men, guard the door, no one goes in without their permission.”
 
Fernando nods before closing the door behind him. He turns the locking mechanism on the door but it seems not to work. After a while he walks to Hondo and looks over the supplies.
 
“Got your lock picking set?” Fernando asks.
 
“Just the basics.” Hondo answers.
 
“Should be enough, you take those lockers and cabinets and I will take these here.” Fernando replies.
 
“Anythin’ particular you lookin’ for?” Hondo asks as he picks the lock from the first cabinet he gets too.
 
“Pestle and mortar, vaccination gun, hypodermic needles, whatever is around.” Fernando answers, opening the locker he picks the lock on.

 
“I usually do not ask but what is your plan?” Hondo asks as he opens a second cabinet.
 
“I’m going to crush 6 Bio Pills to powder and put them into solution, and inject the Wessens with it. It won’t be a full dose but it will heal most of the serious injuries if given time to rest and heal. I’ll give that Wessen with the burns a triple dose. Whatever is left, I’ll inject into Jastrey.” Fernando explains as he looks into a cabinet he opens.
 
“I see. 6 would be enough? There’s about 200 Wessens from what I’ve seen.” Hondo points out as he opens a locker.
 
“I’ll do 8 or 10 then.” Fernando says as he opens another cabinet.
 
They barely find what they needed: a pestle and mortar, vaccination gun and a few unused syringes left in an open box. The items are placed on work table where Fernando begins his work as Hondo checks and cleans the various items. He measures 50ml of water from the faucet, pouring it into the mortar bowl. He throws in a couple of Bio Pills into the bowl before crushing them. He mixes them into a slurry that looks like rainbow colored toxic waste.
 
Some 10 minutes into their work, a note get slide from under the door. Hondo gets it and reads it before handing it to Fernando. It is the list of Wessens in the ward and their various injuries. Fernando nods as he finishes off his work. After capping them, he puts two syringes to the side.
 
“That is for Teri and General Jastrey.” Fernando says to Hondo.
 
“Why Teri?” Hondo asks.
 
“I have a feeling she needs it. I’m pretty sure Maribelle pimped her wooly tail out for money and services, so though it won’t restore her to a virgin, it will restore her to a better shape than she is now and if she is carrying any diseases, it will cure her of them.” Fernando points out. He finishes his work, putting one of the test tubes into the vaccine gun. He hands the two syringes to Hondo and loads one of the several test tubes into the vaccination gun before cleaning up the area, leaving no trace of their work they did in there. Hondo takes a bottle of alcohol he finds and shown to Fernando with him.
 
They step out of the room and look at General Jastrey.
 
“Let’s go.” Fernando says as he goes into the Wessen Ward with the vaccine gun in his hand. The first Wessen he visits is the one he met before, the one with the severe burns and other injuries asking for his master. “Sorry I have not found your master, but I’m here for you. Hondo, give him a splash on his arm by the meat of his shoulder.”
 
Hondo does as Fernando requested, before Fernando puts the vaccine gun to the splashed area and pumps him with a triple injection, pretending that the first two did not go through.
 
“There. You should be getting better in a day or two.” Fernando tells him. He then turns to Hondo, “Next one.”
 
Together they go through the worst of cases first, with Hondo splashing them with the alcohol in areas where there was skin to inject the solution into, and Fernando doing the injection. It takes them almost an hour to inject everyone. Fernando still had 3 unused test tubes and 1/2 a tube in the gun, plus the 10 or so syringes.
 
Out in the hallway, Fernando looks at Teri and tells her, “You’re next. Show me your shoulder. Hondo, splash her and inject her.”
 
As soon as Teri bared her shoulder, Hondo quickly splashed her injected her with the syringe. Maribelle decides to complain.
 
“Why you doing that to her!” Maribelle complains.
 
“Because you used her as a sex toy.” Fernando tells her as he takes the empty syringe from Hondo, “Just in case she has something that could get her sick or infected, this will take care of that for her.”
 
Maribelle scowls at him.
 
“General Jastrey, as for our deal, you’re next.” Fernando tells her. She nods back at him and bares her shoulder to them. Hondo splashes her with the alcohol and injects her with the remaining syringe. Fernando takes the empty syringe and puts it into the box he has.
 
“Let’s head back to camp. We got a lot to do before we go.” Fernando tells them.
 
“You sure you do not want to stay? I can make it worth your while here.” General Jastery says as she finishes buttoning up her shirt.
 
“We will be back if we find that cure. But we got a long trip to do.” Fernando tells her. He then pulls out some gold coins, “Get these Wessens some respectable clothes to wear, most of them should be leaving soon when they get better. As for you, eat a lot sugary snacks for the next few days.”
 
General Jastrey nods at him before he and Hondo begins to walk away.
 
In a couple of minutes they were outside by Jastrey’s car. Though Fernando would have wanted to walk ‘home’, General Jastrey takes them in her car to their camp. For General Jastrey, she needed to talk to those inside the large Kharkovchanka All-Terrain vehicle near their camp.  
 
(End of Hospital Visit - Part 4.)
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Reply #1976 - Mar 2nd, 2017, 10:11am
 
I know the Jews had control of the banks.
 
What I'm trying to understand is why would the Nazi aliens even care that the Texas Spirits made the Jews disappear? The Jews are no longer in Europe. Dead or somewhere else, in either case they are no longer in Europe. Isn't that what the Nazi aliens want, regardless of how it's done?
 
If it's a matter of greasing the palms of the Nazis, this is not a problem. I heard one account of the Nazis needing trucks.
 


Is the Bible the same on every planet or does each planet have it's own version of the Bible?
 
The Texas Spirits teleport via technology, it's not a power this race of beings has.
 
Mutants are humans, not heavenly beings. Therefore, a shape-shifting human is still human.
 


I included Matthew 5:48 to show you I'm keeping Matthew 5:45 in context.
 


A question I asked above applies here too: Is the Bible the same on every planet or does each planet have it's own version of the Bible?
 
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Reply #1977 - Mar 2nd, 2017, 10:22am
 
I still have not heard from you regarding my suggestion for resolving an issue. Instead of calling Charlton a "Jewish state," a couple of suggestions would calling Charlton an "Old Covenant state" or a "Judeo-Christian state."
 
The point was not meant to kick everyone but the Jews out. I just wanted the Jews to feel comfortable in Charlton.
 
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Reply #1978 - Mar 2nd, 2017, 8:05pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Mar 2nd, 2017, 10:11am:


A question I asked above applies here too: Is the Bible the same on every planet or does each planet have it's own version of the Bible?

Jeanette Isabelle

I will answer this one:
 
The Answer is "No."
 
Why?
 
Because the history of "Man" on those worlds is different than on Earth. And rightfully so. On those Planets Jesus may not have walked on that world because it was not required of him to do so. Their Adam and Lilith never broke up, and their Eve never had to have eaten the apple. Worst yet, it's a Satan's creation of a world. Some versions of the Bible and the Torah does say that Satan Created the Earth and god came and destroyed it and remade it his his own, which some religious scientists say that is why we find dinosaur fossils - they were Stan's creation, not god's. Thus some worlds are more blessed than others.
 
Therefore their bible would be different on all of them.
 
Thus on those worlds, they have their own Covenant and we do not apply to those Covenants as they do not applies to ours. It is that simple.
 
This is not planets on a parallel universe, this is different planets within the same universe with different suns and moons, and men of those worlds walking on them who will argue the same point as I stated - "what so ever Covenant of our world only applies to us and not to the outsiders of our world."
 
You can whine and complain and argue all you want on this point. But the truth of the matter is simple - The Covenant of God only belongs to those of the world the Covenant is on, not to any outsiders that may have landed on the world millions, or billions of years ago and established a niche for their survival.
 
That is my answer, accept it or not, you do need to respect it and look into it for the truth you are trying to find.
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Reply #1979 - Mar 3rd, 2017, 9:08am
 
You began to answer my follow up question before I asked it. My follow up question was did Jesus have to be crucified and resurrected on and for every populated planet?
 
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On those Planets Jesus may not have walked on that world because it was not required of him to do so. Their Adam and Lilith never broke up, and their Eve never had to have eaten the apple.

For each planet where Adam did sin, did Jesus have to be crucified and resurrected or did Jesus only have to do so once, on Earth, for all populated planets?
 
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