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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1930 - Jan 28th, 2017, 7:26pm
 
After Ariel, Elsa takes a shower. As always, Elsa takes a cold shower.
 
"Elsa, you certainly are taking a long shower." Moro says from the outside of the curtain. She is not concerned about Elsa using up hot water since she does not use any; Moro is concerned there will be no more water to heat up. "When we find a frozen river you can soak in it to your heart's content. For now we need to let others use the shower."
 
 
In the Beetle Dub Box Jeanette thinks about the conversation she had with Valentine. Jeanette has not told anyone except Valentine that Wilbur has been distorting Penny's view. She wants to talk to Fernando as soon as she can; at the same time she feels anxious doing so.
 
 
Jeanette and Penny meet up with Hikaru, Moro and Elsa as they head to the kitchen.
 
"Ready for breakfast?" Moro asks.
 
"Yes." Jeanette answers. "Considering that party is growing every day, we need to order breakfast to go . . . meaning to our Camper and trailer."
 
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Reply #1931 - Jan 29th, 2017, 12:11am
 
Note: In my last post I stated that everyone's using Hondo's camper for cooking, I do not mean to kick everyone out. But if they are going to use the facilities, to ask for permission and to replenish used supplies.
 
One such supply that is being used up is him stove fuel. Though Hondo may have several propane tanks in storage, the current one is about 1/3rd used so far. Someone either needs to swap it with one of theirs or take the tank into town (like the one we are in) and get it refilled.
 
If a giant mutant chicken egg is used, somebody should get one to replace it. Same with bacon and other supplies. I'm sure Val does not mind the sharing of resources with the group but it has to be a even and level sharing. We got almost 20 people in the group and that is a lot of mouths to feed.
 
But by no means is this that anyone is being kicked out of Val's kitchen. Also, her kitchen has to be cleaned up as well. If she is sharing her kitchen and resources, it is unfair to her that the kitchen remains as a mess when the food is done and everyone's eaten.
 
Plus, Everyone who is eating at Val's kitchen, should bring in their own plates and silverware. Any plate and silverware that is barrowed should be cleaned up and washed before it is returned.
 
That is all.
 
Edit Note: Forgot to add Maribelle and Teri. Edits are in Bold Text
 


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Fernando and Hondo walk with General Jastrey to her vehicle, but expecting a jeep or some other 4X4 military vehicle, they find a Rolls Royce FAB-1 with 2 military vehicles front and aft, though it looked a bit rundown and have long since seen better times.

 
"I have not seen one of those since 2005, escorting the Queen." Fernando says.
 
"I remember driving the Queen in that thin' while you were her bullet magnet." Hondo throws in.
 
"Yeah, don't remind me." Fernando says.
 
General Jastrey looks at them as they approach the car, "You seen my car before?"
 
"Long ago, General Jastrey. Before the Happening." Fernando tells her.
 
"That would make you two as old as me." General Jastrey says to them. The driver opens the door for them, the general tells the driver before getting in, "To the hospital. And take the scenic route. And make sure their lady-friends get into the other truck, I want to talk to these men alone."
 
"Yes Milady..." The driver says as the general gets in, followed by Fernando and then Hondo. The driver closes the door and points to the large SUV for Maribelle and Teri to sit in behind the General's vehicle, before getting the general's vehicle in himself.
 
Once inside the vehicle, General Jastrey accesses the control panel, closing up the privacy panel between the driver and passenger sections.
 
"There, we can talk in private." General Jastrey says. She continues, "Since before the Happening? That would make you as old as me. What gives? You guys immortals?"
 
"No. We were brought here from the past by the Spirits for whatever reason. We do know that the Texas Spirits want us to do them a favor and they would send us back when that favor is done. I'll do the favor but not for what they are offering. And we are doing more than just that small favor for them. We were rescuers in our time, we will continue to be rescuers here in this time. We will do what we think is right, like ending slavery, find a cure for the wessens if there is a cure for them, help out those in need. We got over 1800 miles to travel, so that is what we are going to do in those 1800 miles. After that, we might return to here or another town before the Texas Spirits sends us back home." Fernando explains.
 
"That explains a lot." General Jastrey says to herself. She then turns to Fernando, "You said last night that you may have something for me? Explain what you meant last night."
 
"It's nothing really. But because we rescuers are constantly getting hurt in the field, we developed a pill that speeds up healing. Tonight the cast I put on Karl will come off instead of the 4 weeks one would spend in a cast. And it is tiring as it saps your strength while you heal for a few days. Now you told me that you only got a few years left? Well this pill will repair your injuries, cure your illnesses and strengthen your body so you will love another 20 or so years to live. It will not guarantee that you will live those 20 years as what actions you take determines how you live and where you die but it will make your time easier to deal with when you have a stronger and healthier body." Fernando explains.
 
General Jastrey lets out a sigh. She then asks, "How you did that thing when you showed that wessen to my my lost granddaughter?"
 
"It's old technology, really. This cane allows me to see what is hidden, in your case, that wessen being your lost granddaughter when I as showing that she was human. I did not know she was your granddaughter. But every rescuer had a cane like this in my time. There should be hundreds of them, if not thousands." Fernando explains and lies towards the end.
 
"I only seen canes like that in Lab Town and they were used to... find people who were hiding. That's how they do it." General Jastrey says to herself in the end.
 
"Do what?" Fernando asks.
 
"Sometimes we send people out to Lab Town but a majority of them gets found and captured, never to be seen again. My granddaughter was one of them. Those that did return talked about the men in white suits and dark glasses using a cane that looked like this that shot out rays and found the others before they escaped." General Jastrey says.
 
"I see." Fernando says.
 
"So you're the brains of the outfit, what about your friend?" General Jastrey asks.
 
"I"m a medical doctor by schooling but I got many technical skills on top of that. Hondo is my technical engineer and advisor. What ever I break, he fixes. He knows his technology quite well, from toys to power plants, weapons and flying machines. His wife is also good with a wrench as well. A lot of rescues we did in the past could not have happened without them." Fernando answers.
 
General Jastrey nods.
 
"About this car? How long you had it? In my time only 10 of them were made." Fernando asks.
 
"It was found long ago after the happening, in one of those abandoned dealerships on the road. It had a big sign with a Double R on it and had many fancy cars in the main building but most of them were wrecked or scavenged for parts while this one was left alone so we took it long ago. While in charge, my father had it, and then I got it after him. Many parts were replaced over time but she still runs. At least the import stuff does. And it's bullet proof like a tank. I use it to ride in when I can, except in battle." General Jastrey explains.
 
"I see. Now, about the hospital." Fernando asks.
 
"I already been having my men move things around so the wessens can have a section for their treatment and recovery since last night. Inventory has been taken, the wessens moved to their new beds and that medical tent has been burnt down. I already talked to the hospital staff so there will be some cooperation and they will be training wessesn nurses so like you stated, the nursing staff will not be tied down with wessens. But many in the hospital want you to reveal to them that a wessen is a human like you did with me and my men last night. My granddaughter will be there for the revealing."
 
"It is best that I use somebody else. Revealing somebody too much can get them sick, I do not want your granddaughter to get sick. Also, if I use one person again and again, they will think there is trickery or deception being used on them. Using a random wessen, who is not born of other wessens or of human X wessns, will be a better way to convince them of this plight." Fernando explains.
 
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Reply #1932 - Jan 29th, 2017, 11:46am
 
Note: This is written with Arik, edited by Jeanette.
 
The narrative is not to stir a religious debate but establish what is happening in Charlton. Charlton is a Jewish state open to all Jewish sects.
 
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"Good morning." Mavis is working with Ariel to make breakfast. "We have kosher bacon for everyone from Charlton."
 
"Good." Hikaru replies.
 
"Hikaru." Jeanette says. "I didn't know you're on a kosher diet."
 
Perplexed, Hikaru looks at Jeanette. "Jeanette, all of us have been since before you and I met."
 
"Charlton is a Jewish state, Jeanette." Moro says.
 
In Jeanette's point of view, Charlton never existed. In Jeanette's point of view that area of land consists of all of Duncanville and parts of Dallas, Grand Prairie, Cedar Hill and DeSoto.
 
In Hikaru's point of view she and Jeanette have always lived in the nation of Charlton and therefore, because they live in a Jewish state, they have observed Judaism.
 
"Hikaru," Moro continues, "because the time line has been altered, Jeanette remembers things differently from how you remember them. Jeanette, you and Hikaru are Messianic Jews."
 
"I'm glad you told me I still believe in Jesus." Jeanette responds with a bit of sarcasm. "I was starting to get worried."
 
Messianic Jews believe Yeshua (Jesus) is the Jewish Messiah; still observe the Torah and the Feasts of YHWH.
 
"Where is everyone sitting?" Ariel asks as she helps Mavis.
 
"We'll take breakfast back to the Camper and Dub Box." Jeanette answers.
 
"Why don't we set up the table and chairs like we did last night?" Ariel suggests.
 
"It's not freezing this morning. Sounds like a good idea."
 
"I'll help." Ariel helps the others set up the table and chairs outside.
 
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Reply #1933 - Jan 29th, 2017, 5:37pm
 
Note: None of this is possible as you state them on the RPG. Selecting bits and pieces to make things fit does not make things fit. Thus this is about to collapse on your face by this challenge.
 
Jews are not accepting of outsiders into their flock, one is either born a Jew or one is not a Jew. Plain and simple. One can learn the customs, learn language, celebrate the holidays, go through the rituals, and one is still not a Jew if they are not born into it. Period. Messianic Jews are an unaccepted minority as they break with scripture in accepting Jesus as the Messiah, as for the rest of Judea the Messiah had never came. The Torah itself is an abused book. Period. Every page has its two columns of scripture and then the outlines, discussions, notes, rebuttal, agreements, interpretations, and arguments stated on the outside of the two columns; and is it accepted as a holy scripture. Part of the argument is that Moses penned the Torah, but in the later books, it puts Moses as a third person and not as a first person in the earlier books. It repeats certain sections from the older to the newer sections and creates a mish-mash of stories that confuses things. Thus the Torah questions its own creation, which for a “holy scripture” is not a good thing.
 
Secondly and more importantly, Jews are not accepting of spirits because of the downfall of man in Genesis by trickery used by Satan and his minions who disguised themselves as god's messengers. In order not to fall into the same trap again, Jews are not accepting of spirits, messengers, and other apparitions claiming to be from god, and would rather deal with god directly. This is why they are not accepting of Jesus as the Messiah because he is the Son if god and a messenger of god and not god himself. Anyone, anything claiming to be "from god" to a Jew will be ignored, then shun, then chastised, then stoned and then action taken to destroy it if it so remains to continue its "I'm from god..." motif. In their words, “We are not going to be fooled again.”
 
Thus the Spirits now have a major issue with the Jews in Charlton. And if sent there, Gabriela will be killed in Charlton for this very reason.
 
Mavis comes from Vladimir Dracol's family line, who is Lutheran and not Jewish. Therefore she is not Jewish, and therefore she can never become a Jew. The Hotel Transylvania movie stories has her marrying a Jewish male and having their child, but that does not make her a Jew (nor does the child) because she was not born into the sect. Jewish Marriage outside Judea is accepted as per their sects. Some accept it, others don’t. Being Vampire just throws gasoline to the fire the wrench in the works has created - as a vampire, she is a messenger and a minion of Satan/Lucifer and therefore is to be ignored, shun, chastised, stone and then destroyed by any means necessary if she so remains around the Jews.
 
Anybody who is not of the Jewish faith is, in their terms, a “Goy” – a Non Believer, one who is lower than the lowest human out there. Their belief is different from the Christian Faith, as in there is a no heaven but there is a journey back to the fires of creation as made by God. There is no hell, but there is eternal darkness and emptiness which no being of energy should ever enter. A Jew can be out-casted out of their sect and be labeled a Goy. But once a Goy, one can never return to Judea, as per the beliefs of the different sects; some say you can, most say you can’t.
 
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This is another piece you are trying to fit in and it is going to explode in your face. I had friends from various Judea sects, I have dated Jewish girls from time to time from those sects, and am very well informed in their ways. You need to stop this "BS" of fitting pieces where they do not belong. It does not add to the story, it does not do anything for the story. I would be accepting of Mavis as a Jewish girl as her character as you so fit but she cannot be both a Vampire and a Jew, she would be an abomination of creation is she were.
 
Charlton cannot be a Jewish state if the spirits are there as per your claim of being spirits from god because Jews would not be accepting of anything from god other than it was sent from god himself. This breaks Jewish belief and is an insult to them.
 
You have carefully chosen bits and pieces, and are now stating falsehoods to the fact. Jeanette is based you, and is a Protestant as her character definition. So is Arik, and Hikaru. They cannot be suddenly be Jewish because they are not born into it. There is not baptism; there is no ritual for one to become a Jew. One is either born into it or one is not. Period. Charlton cannot be a Jewish state and have the spirits there. Jews do not care how technologically advanced a group is, they would prefer to go back to 5000 years ago if faced with the situation where they can have things from someone who dares say they are from god.
 
Jews are accepting of other races and cultures as long as they do not cross that line with them. The spirits by their actions and their presence does this. Therefore none of this makes sense, and on top of everything is very insulting to both the Jewish community reading this and the other religious communities you have involved. Why do you think Fernando is not accepting of the spirits, and he's not even Jewish - he's Roman Catholic!
 
Why are you doing this? This is not acceptable because it's crossing the line of insult to many. You should have left things as they were.
 


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“Alright, we will find somebody else for you to reveal.” General Jastrey replies.
 
“About the Wessens, where are they now?” Fernando asks.
 
“They are in their own section. Nurses are already training some female wessens to be their nurses, like you stated, to lessen the load of patients on the general staff.” General Jastrey answers.
 
They continue their drive to the hospital, going around where the Wessen Medical Tent was and finding a cleaning crew there. It is going to be difficult to remove the stench that tent held there for many years, with the many applications of water, soaps and disinfectants applied to the area. They go around the area and find another area with several men there surveying the property and looking over building plans.
 
“What are they doing here?” Fernando asks.
 
“We’re planning to add another section to the hospital to add room for both wessen and human patients.” General Jastrey explains, adding, “My only concern is the surgical ward. They have few supplies and have resorted in using butcher knives for delicate surgery. Thus they cannot do certain operations that they were able to do years before. We need surgical tools like those that you had with you last night.”
 
“Does it matter where these surgical tools come from?” Fernando asks.
 
“What do you mean by that?” General Jastrey asks.
 
“My medical kit back at my camper is from before the Happening and has a surgical kit from the great wars fought back then, so they are battlefield tested. All they have to do is sterilize them in an enclave before using them. I have several options in which my medical kit can be copied and let’s say, 100 kits created for the hospital. Thing is, the fastest way to get this to you and the hospital is to have the (Texas) spirits make them for you and have then delivered here. If you and the hospital accept the kits to be made by the (Texas) spirits, then I can get this done for you immediately.” Fernando explains.
 
“That my dear is a problem. Because of many of us having bad dealing with Spirits in general, and now with wessens being revealed as humans by probable actions of those ‘men who wear dark glasses and white coats who work with spirits’ in Lab-Town, they are going to be less acceptable. We rather do without than take what any spirits have to offer.” General Jastrey says.
 
“That’s not a problem. I have other non-spirit options to get the kits copied but they will take longer to make and have delivered to you. For you that would be 100 kits, some for the emergency ward, some for the doctors to carry around when outside the hospital and most to the surgical ward. What is left should be stored away for future use.” Fernando explains.
 
“Good.” General Jastrey replies.
 
The convoy of vehicles stop by the front of the hospital, and the voice of her driver sounds through a loudspeaker, “We are here Milady.”
 
“Thank you Perkins.” General Jastrey replies on the intercom. She then presses a button on her console to lower the privacy partition between passenger and driver. Perkins steps out of the vehicle to open the door for her.
 
Teri and Maribelle meet up outside with the three of them and General Jastrey’s men before they walk about inside the hospital, passing the various wards and offices until they get to the wessen ward. They walk inside as if inspecting the place, finding it barely has the essentials for sustaining it but it is a major improvement over what they had before in the outdoor medical tent of filth, stench and depravity. As they walk around, one of the larger wessens calls to them.
 
“Hey, you! Hooman wit the dark coat. Come here...” He calls. Fernando recognizes him as the loud mouth from last night in the tent. Looking t him over, his bandages have been replaced and he has been cleaned up as he lies in his own bed.
 
“Feeling better?” Fernando asks as he walks up to him.
 
The wessen, who can clearly be seen as a Ram-Sheep type wessen, nods, “Thanks.”
 
“Let me ask. What happened to you?” Fernando asks as checks out his injuries: a broken arm, several low-caliber shots and severe burns on over 20% of his body.
 
“The purge happen’d. Master and I were comin from Fite-Town when the Master’s home was hit by the slavers. I fought to protect Master and the family but I was knocked out and they told me they tried to burn me while I was out. I don’t know where my Master is.” The wessen explains with tears coming out his eyes.
 
“If you are here, you master must be here too. I’ll get it checked out for you.” Fernando tells him.
 
General Jastrey, Hondo and her men look at the Wessen, Hondo is beginning to feel like a heel for having it starting it.
 
“We’ll be back.” Fernando tells the wessen before signaling the others to step out the room. Once outside, Fernando walks to them men’s public bathroom and holds open the door. He tells General Jastrey’s men to guard the door and let no one in while they are in conference. He then signals Hondo and the general to walk into the bathroom and closes the door behind them, leaving Maribelle and Teri outside with the general’s men.
 
“This is not your fault, Hondo.” Fernando tells him.
 
“What is not his fault?” General Jastrey asks.
 
“The Purge.” Fernando answers, adding, “Days ago we found a slaver’s truck filled with people so we decided to free them. In that action we were attacked by the slavers so we killed them. Hondo found truck and drew first blood in self defense. I backed him up and fought with him. Then before he died, one of them stated something about us starting ‘the purge.’ I really do not care. This is over now. No man, no wessen, no mutant shall not be a slave of another. That is why we did it. And if we had to do it all over again, we would.”
 
“I see.” General Jastrey says. She then asks, “What happened to the people who were freed?”
 
“Most went on their way, but we got Tonya, Zoe and Karl, and Ruth and some of her family are also coming with us to Texas in a camper that we got converted from the slaver’s truck that held them prisoner. I do need to discuss with you about a few things involving their personal property here, I think will benefit everyone. We can discuss that later.”
 
“I seek no one for the start of the purge. Those slavers often do a purge every time one of their kind gets slapped around when somebody stands up against them. If you stood up to them and killed them, even better. You two deserve a medal and more for your actions.” General Jastrey says to them. She then adds, "We will talk about what business you need."
 
“According to Val, Maribelle and Teri are also victims of The Purge as well.” Hondo points out.
 
“Maribelle? You mean Maribelle Jenkins? That girl outside is a victim of the purge too?” General Jastrey asks.
 
“You know her?” Fernando asks.
 
“Her father is, or I say was, second in command under me in this town. I run the law enforcement and justice of this town, he ran the business of politics for this town and got the convoys running many years before she was born. I did not say anything because I would want to talk to the girl alone as her father has been missing for several days now. But now knowing this, that they too were victims of the purge, this changes everything. What you intend to do with her?” General Jastrey explains and then asks.
 
“Nothing. She, however, wants to go to Texas with Karl because Karl has family down here. I would say yes if it is legal to do so. I’m not taking minors with me who are not connected by family.” Fernando tells her.
 
“Maribelle is fully grown and is 20. That sex puppy wessen she toting about is not. As I remember she’s not even 18 yet.” General Jastrey says to him, adding, “You watch yourself around her. She’s a backstabbing, strife giving, double-dealing bitch. If she could get power from it, she would have you killed. At best she would have you charged with rape.”
 
“Right now the girl has only the clothes on her back and from what I’m told a thousand acres of burning crops and a pile of bodies at home. I do not think she even has papers. Can you have some drawn up for them for us? Two copies of everything would be fine. Just in case we run into trouble with the law outside of here.” Fernando requests.
 
“I’ll get them drawn up for you. Just give me names and I'll get it done for you. But remember what I said, watch yourself around her.” General Jastrey tells him.
 
“Thanks. I will.” Fernando says. He lets a sigh, “How about a break? I need some coffee in my system.”
 
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Reply #1934 - Jan 29th, 2017, 10:27pm
 
Note: It was to my understanding that, to avoid confusion, a distinction can be made (note I used the phrase "can be" instead of the word "is" to denote that this is simply possible rather than absolute) to denote an Israelite (a descendant of Israel) from a person who observes Judaism. Some words (such as "Jew" which come from the name "Judah" so if we were to get technical, the use of that word would be inaccurate) are used for either, an Israelite or a person who practices Judaism.
 
I thought you understood from our discussion on Charlton having a state religion that not everyone in Charlton practicing Judaism is an Israelite. After all, pay close attention to this, if the Texas Spirits make Judaism the state religion of their nation of Charlton, they would have to observe all of the practices of Judaism. As you may have already figured out, there is no way the Texas Spirits could be Israelites.
 
Drăculești, though her family is from Earth, is not a Hebrew name. She can't be an Israelite and yet she observes Judaism.
 
The Texas Spirits never claimed to be God's messengers or from God. I have said the following many times: Humans from Earth are the ones who have labeled people, who are either not human or not from Earth, "Spirits." Therefore, since the Texas Spirits never claimed to be from God, there's no problem.
 
Gabrielle is a Haibane. Since Charlton has the highest Haibane population, everyone in Charlton would recognize a Haibane when they see one. The problem Gabrielle will face is the fact her feathers are black.
 
Reminder: For this RPG the whole vampire mythology is just that, myths surrounding the House of Drăculești. Those myths are not true.
 
I can't say that I have ever dated a Jewish girl; I have attended two Messianic Synagogues over a period of several years, Bat Zion and Mishkan, and I have been studying Torah through an online Torah class. After that week's lesson Mom and I would go over what we learned.
 
Again Mavis is not a vampire and the Texas Spirits are not spirits from God nor have I ever maid such a claim. The Renmei did make claims about the Texas Spirits; not only are those claims false, the Texas Spirits have not done anything to promote this falsehood.
 
Remember when Judaism became the state religion of Charlton as part of one of the changes of the time line? We had that conversation at the time of the change. After a change in the time line, Arik and Hikaru have always lived in Charlton in their point of view. And, in Hikaru's point of view, Jeanette has also always lived in Charlton . . . hence Hikaru's statement. Since Arik, Hikaru and Jeanette (according to Arik and Hikaru's point of view) are citizens of Charlton and Judaism is the state religion of Charlton, wouldn't they be observing a sect of Judaism? I know there is debate over what is Messianic Judaism. Is it a Jewish sect or a Christian denomination? The Charlton government, who wanted Judaism to be the state religion, recognized Messianic Judaism as a Jewish sect.
 
Again the Texas Spirits are not making any claims they are from God.  
 
What line have the Texas Spirits crossed?
 
Left things as they were? I made changes because of the stuff you said.
 
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Reply #1935 - Jan 29th, 2017, 11:40pm
 
Note: Lets continue with the RPG. But note these two points:
 
1) Just because one observes Jewish rites, holidays and rituals does not make you a Jew. Vladimir Dracol (aka, Vlad the Impaler, aka The Dragon {by the Roman Catholic Church}) was Romanian (of Transylvania) and Lutheran. Mavis being one of his descendants is not born into Judea and can never be a Jew even though she practices and observes their rites and rituals. Just leave it at that.
 
As a character, I would respect Mavis' decision to observe Jewish rituals and diet. But with everything else, you are pushing it.
 
2) In my post, I mention "spirits" as there are more than one set or class of them. Hondo's first posts of the Falcon Spirit corrupting a town is one such spirit that has hurt many and because thereof many do not trust spirits as a whole. This has been always the case. Unless the Texas Spirits are mention, it is about spirits in general.
 
I put "(Texas)" in Fernando statements for the audience to see where the tools and supplies would be coming from. But General Jastrey's replies of "Spirits" counts for all spirits because "Because of many of us having bad dealing with Spirits in general,..." this does not seclude the Texas Spirits but it does include them.
 
It is like saying "All black people commit crimes," when they do not. Unfortunately though, for group within the minority, they create a majority of the crimes. This from that it creates an illusion of "if there is a crime, there is a black person who did it." That may not be true either but the statistics suggests otherwise. I will say that numbers for Latinoes like myself are even worse - we're 15 of the population but commit more than 1/3 of the crimes out there. And that is say to say. It creates the illusion that "If a black person did not commit the crime, then it is a damned Latino."
 
The same with the Spirits. They hear "Spirits" they do not want them involved or do want their help. That depends on the group and their dealings with Spirits and which Spirits. With Hondo's Falcon Spirit early on, a select and corrupted few profited from their assistance. To their detriment, no one expected Hondo's actions to be so swift and just.
 
In this town's case, because of Lab-Town and "men who wear dark glasses and white coats who work with Spirits," gives all spirits a bad reputation which they would rather not deal with them than to enjoy the fruits of their advanced yet shared technology. It is not about the Texas Spirits, but about Spirits in general.
 
As far as we know, these spirits could be snakes and lizards, which (if I remember correctly) according to Hopi Indian Legends, are evil and manipulative; "The Spirits (Children) of the Underground." Yet they have their opposite who want to be mankind's benefactors who are called "Spirits (Children) of the Stars." We just do not know who or what they are until we meet face to face with them.
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Reply #1936 - Jan 30th, 2017, 6:50am
 
Quote from Fernando on Jan 29th, 2017, 11:40pm:
Note: Lets continue with the RPG.

Then why are you picking a fight?
 
Quote from Fernando on Jan 29th, 2017, 11:40pm:
1) Just because one observes Jewish rites, holidays and rituals does not make you a Jew. Vladimir Dracol (aka, Vlad the Impaler, aka The Dragon {by the Roman Catholic Church}) was Romanian (of Transylvania) and Lutheran. Mavis being one of his descendants is not born into Judea and can never be a Jew even though she practices and observes their rites and rituals.

Then what would you call a person or a group of people who practice Judaism?
 
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You are using the word Jew wrong. Read your Old Testament, specifically 1&2 Samuel, 1&2 kings, and 1&2 chronicles. Israelites were the name for all the children of Jacob, son of issac, of whom God later changed his name to Israel. In the books of the kings and chronicles the Bible talks about the Kate bugs of Israel turning their backs on God. At one point the tribes ( 12 tribes of Israel) started fighting amongst themselves. This lead to civil war and soon the splitting of the tribes. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin to the south split off and are from where the jews ( short for Judah as it was the largest tribe of the two) came from. The ten tribes of Israel turned their backs on God and soon were scattered across the earth. They are known as the ten lost tribes. Tthe true Israelites are gone and no longer practice the ways of the Old Testament.  
 
And the few Jews that practice the Old Testament customs but believe on Jesus are considered but cases by those that follow the true Judaic religion. And they are considered hypocrites by christians. Even Paul said you cannot follow the Old teachings and believe on Christ. The rituals and sacrifices, and eating customs were all to portray a life of waiting for the messiah and temporarily cover their sins in ways that depicted the final sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. To hold to the old ways was to say Jesus didn't do enough. It is blasphemy against his dying and rising again to concor all sin and death. You claim to know you Bible but I find most everything biblical you post to be extremely lacking.
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Reply #1938 - Jan 30th, 2017, 8:54am
 
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Jan 30th, 2017, 7:45am:
You are using the word Jew wrong.

Are you addressing Fernando or me?
 
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Jan 30th, 2017, 7:45am:
Even Paul said you cannot follow the Old teachings and believe on Christ. The rituals and sacrifices, and eating customs were all to portray a life of waiting for the messiah and temporarily cover their sins in ways that depicted the final sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. To hold to the old ways was to say Jesus didn't do enough. It is blasphemy against his dying and rising again to concor all sin and death. You claim to know you Bible but I find most everything biblical you post to be extremely lacking.

What did Jesus say about that? Let's take a look:
 
17 “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened. 19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. – Matthew 5:17 - 19, CJB
 
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Reply #1939 - Jan 30th, 2017, 10:38am
 
Wow are you misinterpreting that. First off the translation is off on that version. I studied Greek, believe it or not, and that is off. Look at the King James Version or the Geniva for a more accurate translation. It is not talking about the Torah first off and secondly the laws it is talking about are found in verses 1 through 16. You are taking it out of context badly and  using a translation that is slanted to fit some people ideals instead of an accurate translation. Jesus didn't want them to keep the old ways either. The old ways were cover ups for sin, signs that foretold of what the messiah came to do. Yes he did not come to tear down the law, but to complete the  prophecies so that men no longer need to live under the law. Jesus's death and resurrection ended the period of the law and started the period of grace. You need to take the Bible and its passages as a whole or leave it alone as your knowledge of it is pathetic.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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