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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1810 - Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am
 
Quote from Jeanette on Dec 20th, 2016, 10:01pm:
Quote from Fernando on Dec 20th, 2016, 9:05pm:
And didn't we discussed that until proven otherwise, Penny is not an immortal stuck at the age of 9? When she hits 10, 11, 12, 16 or 21 what is going to happen to her when she gets there.  If she's 35 and still has the body of a 9 year old, I can say that she is an immortal. Until then, we don't know, the spirits don't know, nobody knows how this girl will turn out.

The immortal procedure was done. If that is not enough, Penny can be put to a test. If she quickly heals from a cut, she's an Immortal.

 
The procedure was done. But you stated long ago that when immortality kicks in is unknown. Until she ages a minimum 10 plus years without change, then she is an immortal stuck in a 9 year old body. Until then they don't know and they can't say that they do know because they don't. You stated that long ago.
 
I'll further this with Immortality is a mutation. Something one is born with. If she went through a procedure to change her genetic outcome, then she is a Mutate, not a Mutant. There's a difference between the two and Mutating Humans is a crime as per the Anti-Eugenics laws put on the books world wide long ago. Or did you forget about this too?  
 
 
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And because she is a child, unless it is of pertaining importance with the RPG, it should be left out.

I would not put something of this nature in unless I have a specific direction.

 
So far you haven't shown it.
 
And I'm beginning not to care about it either.
 
You got an abused girl, who is probably lying to protect Wilbur as most victims do and forcing Jeanette to take a certain action that the spirits have been trying to lead her to since the beginning of this RPG. If Jeanette can not see that she is being mislead by a little girl, then I don't know what to say. Actually I do but I wont say it.
 
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She should be placed in therapy and the spirits eliminated for creating this situation.

Are you saying they somehow should have known that the person they hired is a criminal?

Jeanette Isabelle

 
You''re saying that they phucked up again, as grand and infallible you made them out to be? Wasn't Wilbur a Spirit too who brought Penny to Jeanette? Every time you state the spirits taking action outside of Charlton, it falls apart. This Fernando's fault too?
 
I need you to think because you keep writing yourself into a corner that ties up the RPG for 5 to 10 pages on argument and banter and not continuing with the story.
 
I'm not here to pick on you. But you should be looking as to how things look because people do contact us as admins of the forum saying some rather mean things about how this is heading and mostly from your side of the writing. Seriously, one of the nicest things I read was calling Jeanette a "Paper Doll." If you understand that reference, you will understand how bad the character is made to look. They all agree that your set of characters should have been killed because they are so fake in construct - copies of other stories having nothing to do with the RPG and makes the RPG into a non-realistic and nonsensical cartoon adventure that makes no sense in the very least. The spirits are God Mode Characters that is used too often for no reason at all. Fernando is a God Mode Character as well but his powers are used when needed, not out of convenience as in the case of the Spirits. This thread did not get 18,000 reads because of the three of us reading and posting to it. It is being read by a much larger global audience and many out there are not happy with a certain segment of it. Like we stated again and again, if the spirits are so powerful, why don't they get Gabrielle and bring her to Charlton - End of Story. And you do not want to know what they about about the journal. Really, you don't.
 
So lets continue with the RPG. I made points and that is it. You need to prove to the world of what they think is not true.
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Reply #1811 - Dec 21st, 2016, 10:50am
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
The procedure was done. But you stated long ago that when immortality kicks in is unknown.

This does not sound like anything I said. Are you talking about people like Hikaru who became an Immortal without immortality being given to them?
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
I'll further this with Immortality is a mutation. Something one is born with. If she went through a procedure to change her genetic outcome, then she is a Mutate, not a Mutant. There's a difference between the two and Mutating Humans is a crime as per the Anti-Eugenics laws put on the books world wide long ago. Or did you forget about this too?

You're bringing this up now? This has been apart of "After Chaos" since before it was brought to this forum.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26th, 2015, 8:59pm:
Order of Fire operates in extreme secrecy. The Fire is an effective mutagen cocktail that they use to convert people into mutants. "Ascended" will inherit the Earth. Only the volunteers are chosen, though. The Ascension ritual involves thorough medical checks and organism cleansing, without which the patient would die. The Order does not like non-Fire mutants, because they are "contaminated".

The Texas Spirits, and the group in Japan they are related to, have been doing a procedure similar to this. Jeanette accepting immortality has been discussed since the second day in the story. Stopping this now completely changes a part of the story.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
So far you haven't shown it.

And I'm beginning not to care about it either.

You got an abused girl, who is probably lying to protect Wilbur as most victims do and forcing Jeanette to take a certain action that the spirits have been trying to lead her to since the beginning of this RPG. If Jeanette can not see that she is being mislead by a little girl, then I don't know what to say. Actually I do but I wont say it.

It would be more accurate to say this explains what Penny has said and done and will say and do in the future.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
You''re saying that they phucked up again, as grand and infallible you made them out to be?

In the past we have talked about the Texas Spirits correcting their mistakes. If they were infallible, we would not be talking about them correcting their mistakes.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
Wasn't Wilbur a Spirit too who brought Penny to Jeanette?

Wilbur Robinson is a human whom the Texas Spirits hired.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
Every time you state the spirits taking action outside of Charlton, it falls apart. This Fernando's fault too?

I don't see how that belongs in this discussion.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
I need you to think because you keep writing yourself into a corner that ties up the RPG for 5 to 10 pages on argument and banter and not continuing with the story.

We have pages in this tread not related to the story because both you and I are arguing.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 21st, 2016, 12:14am:
I'm not here to pick on you. But you should be looking as to how things look because people do contact us as admins of the forum saying some rather mean things about how this is heading and mostly from your side of the writing. Seriously, one of the nicest things I read was calling Jeanette a "Paper Doll." If you understand that reference, you will understand how bad the character is made to look. They all agree that your set of characters should have been killed because they are so fake in construct - copies of other stories having nothing to do with the RPG and makes the RPG into a non-realistic and nonsensical cartoon adventure that makes no sense in the very least. The spirits are God Mode Characters that is used too often for no reason at all. Fernando is a God Mode Character as well but his powers are used when needed, not out of convenience as in the case of the Spirits. This thread did not get 18,000 reads because of the three of us reading and posting to it. It is being read by a much larger global audience and many out there are not happy with a certain segment of it. Like we stated again and again, if the spirits are so powerful, why don't they get Gabrielle and bring her to Charlton - End of Story. And you do not want to know what they about about the journal. Really, you don't.

You do make one valid point, one I have noticed when I read the RPG from beginning to end last week. The use of transporting technology has only worked a few times in the story. The rest of the time the use of transporting technology has been too close to being Star Trek. I need to figure out a way to change that. At the moment, I don't know how.
 
If we have readers, why don't they join us? I can't imagine an RPG being interesting without playing it. I welcome new players.
 
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Reply #1812 - Dec 21st, 2016, 6:44pm
 
The argument of Eugenics was answered to end attempts of manipulation of the Human Genome in WWII by the Nazi's and the Japanese (though the Japanese was more subtle than the German attempt).
 
BUT that does not end the research and the actual manipulation of the Genome by private and even national groups. Like recently with the UK exchanging human cell nuclei into a different egg cell to end a mitochondrial DNA malformations in some families while continuing to pass n the Nuclear DNA of the family line in the UK. To do this, the UK had lifted part of its Eugenics Laws "For the benefit of mankind." Ha! The Germans used the same excuse, but I can see the potential good that can be done with this procedure
 
For the RPG, lets say, genetic manipulation continues on a grander scale than before. Why? That depends on the group - including the Texas Spirits. But the results of this (outside of the Texas Spirit Group) is the mutants and Wessens that are out there. There will be more and who knows what names they will be using.
 
Breaking the law and enforcing the law are two different things. These group, including the Texas Spirits, do not care if there is a law. They do as they please. And who is going to enforce the laws on Earth? Fernando? Remember, he is a product of 100s of years of Eugenics Breeding by the Spanish for creating the Perfect Knight from 1100 to 1490. From it he has the Supper Speed, Super Endurance, Super Strength and high tolerance for pain, but he also has a slew of medical issues that he has learned how to deal with in his life time. To everyone, he seems normal, but he is not. And it is his secret that only he and his girls as some of them also have the same issues he does.
 
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Teleportation can be done across space, time and/or both. You should see the old 1960s TV Show Time Tunnel, and the last 5 episodes of the Logan's Run TV Series as that deal with Time Travel and why things happened when it did. Depending on how it is used I do not see nothing wrong with its use.
 
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Reply #1813 - Dec 21st, 2016, 8:11pm
 
This was not been introduced to the story yet; I'll mention it now since we are on the subject. Even in the real world, women in Japan go to extremes to look young. The immortality procedure is most commonly done in Japan where women want to stay young forever.
 
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Reply #1814 - Dec 21st, 2016, 8:58pm
 
Just in asking, why would anyone want to live forever?
 
As an immortal, one gets to see friends and family live, get sick and die, you need to move on to the next community or else the community you are in will go against you (Interview of a Vampire and other stories), you will need to create a new identity as no one is going to believe you were born on 900AD when it is 2515AD, and you need to make more friends and family and watch them live and die and repeat the process for as long as you can last.
 
Being immortal is rather a selfish want when one puts it into that perspective.
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Reply #1815 - Dec 21st, 2016, 9:31pm
 
I partially answered that question. In the real world, women in Japan go to extremes to look young. This is a way to stay young.
 
As for the problem you mentioned, how many Japanese women would want immortality for the reason I mentioned? How many would get the procedure done if they see other young ladies getting it done? For this reason I think it is within the realm of possibility to have a nation of Immortals. If that happens then the problems you mentioned would not exist.
 
How is it a selfish want?
 
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Reply #1816 - Dec 21st, 2016, 10:18pm
 
Japanese women look young until their 50s because of diet and genetics. but if they do not take care of themselves, it will fall apart on them.
 
Unlike the women, Japanese men do not care about "aging gracefully". Sure, they want to be fit and strong but with men, age is respected.
 
So it will end up as a nation of immortal women. That culture will quickly die soon after that because there is little to support it. Japan is a male dominated world where women at best are second class citizens. One might think that with the men gone, it would be a good thing but that is not true. That culture will quickly fall apart.
 
To want to be immortal with eternal beauty is vain and selfish.
 
A person's beauty is based on their actions and deeds which defines their inner beauty. Those chasing after external beauty are vain and selfish, creating a very ugly person inside. Thus they are nothing more than an illusion and a lie of what they can be.
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Reply #1817 - Dec 22nd, 2016, 8:43am
 
The culture would need to adapt, of course. The culture would die? How? Lets look at a scenario:
 
A young woman gets married, gives birth to a boy and a girl and has the immortality procedure done. The girl grows up, gets married, gives birth to a boy and girl and has the immortality procedure done. The cycle continues.
 
I don't see a culture dying. I foresee the opposite problem: Overpopulation.
 
 
It is vanity. How is it selfish when everybody can be an Immortal if they want to?
 
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Reply #1818 - Dec 22nd, 2016, 12:38pm
 
The culture will die because 50% of the influence that males support dies with them when males are eliminated from the equation. The culture is then left open to conquest and destruction when conquered.I'm not saying that women do not know how to defend themselves, but if faced with a situation of "getting #$@!ed or getting killed," women would get #$@!ed where men would fight to the death. Women are quick to surrender, men are not. Thus women would rather let their culture die and and be forced to assimilate another culture than to fight and die to protect what they got. Thus in this case - the Japanese culture dies when the last male in that society dies.
 
Vanity is selfishness. It is one of the 7 Deadly Sins. It leads those how are vain to think that they can achieve or get things just because they look better than others. Being dolled up to look "beautiful" is not beauty within itself. They are just trying use that beauty to manipulate others by getting their attention first through visual impressions.
 
All my life I have dealt with people like, including so-called beauty queens like Miss Brooklyn 1980. They are vain to the core. They expect things to be done for them. They demand that things are a certain way for them. And they create a circle of people around them that perpetuate this promotion of the person.
 
Remember, I was blind, as is/was my OC. External beauty means nothing to me/him. But this insight allows us to look at the person through a different and more import point of view. Thus they fail on the basics of being an honorable person; a vain person is not an honorable person.
 
The Japanese Culture is based on Honor, perpetuated by the males of the society. Eliminate the males and be left with immortal women who are only interested in their vanity - all that Honor is thrown away and the culture dies. They can maintain their laws, their language and their way of life but their culture because Vanity eliminates Honor, and Honor is a key component of the Japanese Culture. When a Culture dies, so begins the rest of their society: History, literature, art, and the protection thereof. Once a culture is dead, the people who remain, the vain immortal women, are ripe for conquest. And between facing death and disfigurement, or dropping their panties giving up some ass to a would be conqueror and be assimilated into another culture, they rather want to get #$@!ed and be someone else so they can continue to be vain.
 
EDIT Historically speaking, this is exactly what happened to certain areas of the Chinese population during the Sino/Jap Imperial wars leading into WWII (1938 to 1942). The Japanese Armies killed every man and male teen and child, leaving the women and female teen and young girls to rape and plunder and assimilate into the Japanese Culture, those women who tried to fight back, what remains of their families they had were dragged into the town squares and the remaining entire family of females were killed in public display of the others, perpetuating that if they do not cooperate then they are to die. Thus the women and teen girls allowed themselves to be raped and accept the Japanese as their overseers in order to live. At the time, Imperial China was going through a phase where women were glorified as things of beauty, and to have this done to them destroyed the culture those areas.
 
Though these areas recovered after WWII, there is a strong Japanese Influence that they can not shake off to this day. One can see this in their food, mannerisms and displays - though Chinese they may be accepted, are Japanese by design and influence. The Chinese culture of the area is basically dead. The stories and history of the area, virtually gone. Their food, though Chinese by ingredients, are Japanese prepared. They only have their language intact with some Japanese words added in.
 
This same exact thing happened to the Philippians, Borneo, Malaysia, French Indo-China (Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, etc.) during the Japanese Imperial Wars prior to WWII (1940 to 1942) and conquest of these areas. But these areas were conquered for a short amount of time - less than 5 years, compared to China which had been in war with the Japanese since the 1860's; they were able to recover their culture within a generation, while China had to reinvent their culture in the conquered areas.
 
This same fate awaits the Immortal Japanese women.
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Reply #1819 - Dec 22nd, 2016, 6:26pm
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 22nd, 2016, 12:38pm:
The culture will die because 50% of the influence that males support dies with them when males are eliminated from the equation.

I presented a scenario explaining how that would not be a problem.
 
A young woman gets married, gives birth to a boy and a girl and has the immortality procedure done. The girl grows up, gets married, gives birth to a boy and girl and has the immortality procedure done. That girl grows up, gets married, gives birth to a boy and girl and has the immortality procedure done. This continues generation after generation. Therefore there will always be males born. The male to female ratio would continue to be more and more lopsided; there will always be males.
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 22nd, 2016, 12:38pm:
Vanity is selfishness. It is one of the 7 Deadly Sins. It leads those how are vain to think that they can achieve or get things just because they look better than others. Being dolled up to look "beautiful" is not beauty within itself. They are just trying use that beauty to manipulate others by getting their attention first through visual impressions.

All my life I have dealt with people like, including so-called beauty queens like Miss Brooklyn 1980. They are vain to the core. They expect things to be done for them. They demand that things are a certain way for them. And they create a circle of people around them that perpetuate this promotion of the person.

We're still on the same subject, right? If the entire adult female population appears to be in the twenties, how is one better looking than the other?
 
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