Hondo's Cabin - After Chaos

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1790 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 12:47pm

Quote from Jeanette on Dec 18^th, 2016, 9:20am:

Quote from Fernando on Dec 17^th, 2016, 11:47pm:

A Technopath would cause a lot of problems because a lot of tech would have been restored. For a "Mutant" to have this kind of Power, he would have to have the same power and ability as the X-Men's Magneto.

I can see the Spirits being able to do this, Texas Spirits or otherwise. A town like Lab Town would have their Spirits to do this for them. Not normal people or mutants. At beast they can do is exchange parts/chips to get a system going. Mind you, many computer systems and parts have been buried in landfills, and when found and dug up, they will worked. 10,000 Apple Lisa were found in this condition, though a few CRT Tubes had to be replaced, and Atari's 5-million ET Game Cartridges, after 30+ years of being buried, they still worked!

but a Technopath would bring a lot of trouble, because a lot of teach can be brought back, including airplanes. As is I'm planning on having a few towns with gliders but that is as far as I'm going to push the tech, but a Technopath would be able to bring back a 747. This brings more problems than it solves.

Level also comes into play. This is what "The Setting and Rules" says about Levels.

Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26^th, 2015, 8:59pm:

Mutant powers come in three levels. Basic [Level 1] gives you no or little control over your power, very little effect and range. Advanced [Level 2] is the next level, your power actually helps you sometimes. At Expert [Level 3] it becomes an integral part of your life. Be warned, non player characters can have Above-Expert [Level 4].

Kana, introduced in the opening story, is a Level 2 Technopath. She can only fix simple machines like mechanical clocks and watches.

MOST Texas Spirits are Level 4 Technopaths. Not all Spirits are Technopaths. Of the six groups I have introduced or created (one is more of a loose affiliation), only the Texas Spirits and the Japanese group they're related to are Technopaths. If you want the Spirits in the lab to be Technopaths, that's up to you.

Correction. A Level 4 Technopath can fix a 747.

I gave the Texas Spirits as a whole Level 4 Technopathy because they are environmentalists. What would be a greater power than that for those who recycle? People would not buy new cars because old cars would be in show room condition forever.

The further south the party travels, they will see cars a hundred years old or older in the same condition they were in when rolling of the assembly line. The mobile device and tablet computer Moro uses have also been around for a long time.

Jeanette Isabelle

I would like to challenge that by stating the following. Lets take Roswell New Mexico's Jet Liner Graveyard. http://www.airplaneboneyards.com/roswell-international-air-center-boneyard.htm

Thousands of Jeltliners are there, many of them still intact and in flying condition. They are deemed unsafe for passenger and pressurized flying between 25 and 35 thousand feet, which is why they were retired.

With the Texas Spirits Midas touch, it would not take much to get one of these fly boys into pristine condition - from a DeHavilin Comet and the Boeing 707 to an Airbus 380 and every plane in between. The same mechanics that goes into repairing a car can be applied to a plane. The parts may be different but "screwing Part A into Part B" remains the same.

Throw in a Technopath, and much more sensitive planes can go up like military jet fighters with sensitive computerized targeting systems coming back online. With just one such plane, this overthrows the balance of power over a large area.

The Slavers had their control because they had an unfair advantage over everyone in the area: flying ships - Blimps and Zeppelins. Fernando eliminated that unfair advantage and leveled the playing field, ending slavery, at least by them. Somebody owning aircraft, even a small one, would have such an unfair advantage over others and they would instill their will over them. The Town I'm planning that has gliders would not have such an advantage as gliders are limited in their range and speed. They might be able to take on a Zeppelin in the air but that would be a limited conflict and only under the best of conditions. Having an actual airliner ups that unfairness. Having an actual Military jet fighter, makes them a super power.

With a Technopath, The Spirit's Midas Touch and 50,000 gallons of fuel, a town can have a military air force and spread their influence as the ruling class over all others. Remember - the same skills used in repairing cars, can be used in repairing and maintaining aircraft.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1791 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 1:14pm

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Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 12:53am:

Karl and Teri break continuity? How? They are both former slaves (though Teri is still under Maribelle's influence). Within reason, they will do as they are told, though Teri's an airhead and Karl would gripe and whine about doing it. Karl would also think about taking a shortcut to make the job easier - like sitting on top of Hondo's truck during guard duty instead f walking around. Hondo's truck is the highest point the camp has until the tractor trailer comes and then it will be higher. Teri does not know better, as she's an airhead. because she was bought up to be that way. If out of anger Jeanette told her to go kiss her ass, Teri would actually try to do it.

Maribelle might be a problem as all she cares about is money and political power. How that is achieve requires a lot of manipulation of people to do her bidding. In Short, Maribelle is not a nice person and that is putting it lightly. She learned from her father who was vicious.

Where did this come from? All I asked is what would happen if I were to write these or other characters in a way that breaks continuity.

Example: Karl does not want to go back in the ring. Therefore, if I were to write Karl volunteering to take on a certain fighter in the ring, I would be breaking continuity.

Jeanette Isabelle

Karl going back into the ring would not be breaking continuity. What you are not taking into account is Human Nature. There are a lot of things Karl does not want to do but he does them. In short he wants the easiest ticket out of town without paying for the fare.

Lets say this:
If Karl ends up in Fight Town, even in his injured condition, meets up with a fighter he fought before which he lost too but could have won, and is taunted by that fighter to return to the ring, just to prove the point that he could have won, he would go back into the ring for that one fight. "Revenge in the Cell" as such fights are called. For the average bettor, they do not pay much but for the fighters it is a matter of pride. And the one thing Karl is - is Prideful.

If you were to write Karl going back into the ring, that would be the reason why he would go, and that would not be breaking continuity.

I wrote the example of Teri going after to kiss Jeanette's ass because that too would not break continuity. Jeanette may think she is in control of her emotions, but she is not - she is a woman, and like all other women, her emotions are part of her make up of judgement process. She is quick to anger though she thinks she is in control, like when she grabbed and strangled one of the crows early on. So in anger, I'm saying Jeanette would tell Teri to go kiss her rear end; this is akin to us males telling a female in anger, "Bitch, go suck my dick." It's not an order, it is a statement of anger. Now in Jeanette saying such a statement in anger, Teri being the airhead that she is, would try to do it. This is only an example of what could happen if taken to that direction, not that this would actually happen.

Human Nature is a bitch to deal with. It considers both the Light side of a person and their Dark side. No matter how much one can control themselves, there is always that one chance where they can suddenly go the other way from their normal actions when pushed too far. And there is nothing wrong with that. Somebody can have a totally rotten day where they have been forced to hold back on their negative emotions all day and then go off because of something tiny and insignificant pushes them over the edge.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1792 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 1:34pm

And like I said before the guard spirits are red shirts with no set character. He'll, they might be weak and sell out their own kind for the right price so even comparing them to characters with set characteristics is idiotic.

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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1793 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 1:59pm

Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 11:59am:

Hmmm... a guard or guards that were tricked into leaving their area is not AWOL. They are doing their job of investigating a possible situation that could lead into trouble if left alone. So the guards are in fact doing their job and not AWOL. They may not be at their assigned area but they doing their job of investigating a possible situation.

Being tricked or fooled into investigating outside of their assigned post, is doing their job and not being AWOL because investigating situations is part of their job.

Why wasn't it written that way?

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1794 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 2:02pm

Quote from Jeanette on Dec 18^th, 2016, 9:31am:

Quote from Fernando on Dec 17^th, 2016, 11:56pm:

There is a difference between delivering letters and delivering packages. If the USPS is still active then the federal government is active. As stated long ago, the mail is being delivered by volunteers and still living and should be retired postal workers as there is no true set of mail service being done. People can provide their own mail/package delivery service like the Pony Express of the wild West and do the service for a fee. Let use a large Milk Crate as an example. A "mail man will out have this delivered, though a shipping agent would deliver it. But if there are 10 milk boxes of hospital supplies, it would not be done or would be done part way and the one receiving it would have to pick it up from a pick up location from there.

The medical supplies could be delivered another way. The point is if hospitals want modern medical supplies, they would already have them. They don't because, as you said, they don't trust Spirits.

Jeanette Isabelle

The towns are too busy doing other things to put their medical establishments up front. Protection of their members/citizenry, establishing trade, maintaining the road (up to 10 miles outside of town), and providing basic needs (water, power, food) is more important than having an up-to-date modern hospital. If the medical field can deal with using old and recycled tools and equipment, then guess what- they are going to use old and recycled equipment. Just because it is a medical center, does not mean that it will get special privilege in getting what it wants. Most medical facilities won't even have an ambulance though they may have EMTs - riding on bicycles, scooters and minibikes.

Other possible EMT Transport include:
Pocket Bikes: http://www.minipocketrockets.com/blade-pocketbikes/
Electric Scooters: http://www.kmart.com/mototec-electric-mini-bike-24v/p-05244193000P
Electric Mopeds: http://www.kmart.com/mototec-24v-electric-moped-purple/p-05255822000P
Gas Mopeds: http://www.powersportsmax.com/product_info.php/cPath/38/products_id/14674
Fold-away Gas Mopeds: https://jet.com/product/detail/5c4fe2a4e1704198ab8b0dec6ffd95f0

The point in this, the hospital does not have an ambulance but can provide emergency services to a victim in need. Transport of the victim to the hospital is the family or law enforcement once the patient is stabilized. All the EMT is providing is the basic service and equipment to stabilize the victim.

Even the Amish - as anti-technology as they can be, have firefighting and EMTs in their communities. They may not have modern equipment as a large city, but they do provide in help when the community needs it. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/amish_firefighters.html

In the cases of most towns we will be hitting, news and information of getting new equipment never got to them, or are withheld because if Spirit involvement in those supplies. In either case, it is not that the hospital is backwards in their ways, but because they are denied in getting what they need. The towns will make what things the hospitals needs. The local Cutlery (those who sharpen blades like knives and alike) will sharpen the scalpels. If there are no scalpels left then the hospital will get a butcher's blade (in various sizes) in place of a scalpel. Can you imagine a podiatrist going up to a child with a 9inch blade and telling them those tonsils will have to come out? If given plans, a Cutlery can make their own scalpels. But they need a plan, a design to follow.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1795 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 2:24pm

Quote from Jeanette on Dec 18^th, 2016, 9:31am:

The medical supplies could be delivered another way. The point is if hospitals want modern medical supplies, they would already have them. They don't because, as you said, they don't trust Spirits.

Jeanette Isabelle

I have to think about this and the answer is not a pretty one. As I touched on my last post, the hospital operates because of what the town gives it. The Medical staff would not care where the supplies are coming from, but the Town Council would and they would deny anything the hospital needs that a spirit may have had a hand in. This requests for and and all medical supplies would go through the Town Council for approval. This is politics at play.

If the town needs clean sheets for their hospital beds, the Town Council (at least for this town) would have a contract with Mrs Clean to gather, wash and sterilize the sheets for the hospital. If they need bandages, again (lets say) they would contract Mrs. Clean to make them on on her weaving loom. But in her business, she would need to get her own materials to get these things done and fulfill the contracts she has. That would be outside of the Town Council's control.

Since this is Politics at play, there is only one person in the group that could be beneficial to this cause: Maribelle. As much as a spoiled brat she can be, she does have her use, and this would be it.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1796 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 3:31pm

Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 12:47pm:

I would like to challenge that by stating the following. Lets take Roswell New Mexico's Jet Liner Graveyard. http://www.airplaneboneyards.com/roswell-international-air-center-boneyard.htm

Thousands of Jeltliners are there, many of them still intact and in flying condition. They are deemed unsafe for passenger and pressurized flying between 25 and 35 thousand feet, which is why they were retired.

With the Texas Spirits Midas touch, it would not take much to get one of these fly boys into pristine condition - from a DeHavilin Comet and the Boeing 707 to an Airbus 380 and every plane in between. The same mechanics that goes into repairing a car can be applied to a plane. The parts may be different but "screwing Part A into Part B" remains the same.

What's wrong with that? The only "problem" I see is why on Earth would the Texas Spirits want a brand new 747 even if it is free? Where would they fly it?

Using Webster's definition of a nation, there are currently six of them in this RPG. Out of those only four are large enough to have an airport large enough to accommodate a 747. There's not a high demand for low-cost, brand new commercial jets.

Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 12:47pm:

Throw in a Technopath, and much more sensitive planes can go up like military jet fighters with sensitive computerized targeting systems coming back online. With just one such plane, this overthrows the balance of power over a large area.

The Texas Spirits have space ships with shields, cloaking devices and plasma guns. Moreover, these tree huggers prefer to commandeer an enemy ship or aircraft than shoot it down. Why would they want a military fighter?

Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 12:47pm:

The Slavers had their control because they had an unfair advantage over everyone in the area: flying ships - Blimps and Zeppelins. Fernando eliminated that unfair advantage and leveled the playing field, ending slavery, at least by them. Somebody owning aircraft, even a small one, would have such an unfair advantage over others and they would instill their will over them. The Town I'm planning that has gliders would not have such an advantage as gliders are limited in their range and speed. They might be able to take on a Zeppelin in the air but that would be a limited conflict and only under the best of conditions. Having an actual airliner ups that unfairness. Having an actual Military jet fighter, makes them a super power.

Slavers would not be able to get an aircraft unless you write it in. Even then they would need a place to land it. A zeppelin, on the other hand, does not need a runway.

Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 12:47pm:

With a Technopath, The Spirit's Midas Touch and 50,000 gallons of fuel, a town can have a military air force and spread their influence as the ruling class over all others. Remember - the same skills used in repairing cars, can be used in repairing and maintaining aircraft.

Where are they going to get a Level 4 Technopath unless you write one in?

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1797 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 4:31pm

Quote from Fernando on Dec 18^th, 2016, 2:24pm:

I have to think about this and the answer is not a pretty one. As I touched on my last post, the hospital operates because of what the town gives it. The Medical staff would not care where the supplies are coming from, but the Town Council would and they would deny anything the hospital needs that a spirit may have had a hand in. This requests for and and all medical supplies would go through the Town Council for approval. This is politics at play.

If the town needs clean sheets for their hospital beds, the Town Council (at least for this town) would have a contract with Mrs Clean to gather, wash and sterilize the sheets for the hospital. If they need bandages, again (lets say) they would contract Mrs. Clean to make them on on her weaving loom. But in her business, she would need to get her own materials to get these things done and fulfill the contracts she has. That would be outside of the Town Council's control.

That paints the hospital in a better light in my opinion. As you just pointed out, the town council would not the supplies even if Jeanette were involved.

If it were a small trade, Jeanette and the hospital would not need to go through the town council.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1798 - Dec 18^th, 2016, 4:39pm

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