Welcome, Guest. Please Login.
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
May 11th, 2025, 3:17am
News: Welcome to the Cabin! If you want to register send me an e-mail. you can link to my e-mail under the welcome page.


Pages: 1 ... 177 178 179 180 181 ... 305
After Chaos (Read 186529 times)
Hondo I. Sackett
YaBB Administrator
*****
Behind you!




Posts: 1349
Gender: male
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1780 - Dec 17th, 2016, 10:26pm
 
I had the guards tricked into leaving.  There was no continuity hurt.  There is no character set for the guards.  They are like the red shirts on star trek.  They have no character and are expendable.  Teri,  Karl,  et al, have a set character.  The only thing it changed was your plans and possible security.  If it was more guarding there would be no having it happen but a random red shirt.  . . .but you still miss the point, always have and always will.  Just let's move on with the RPG.
Back to top
 
 

Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
Fernando
YaBB Administrator
*****
NY City




Posts: 2380
Gender: male
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1781 - Dec 17th, 2016, 11:47pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Dec 17th, 2016, 7:50pm:
Quote from Fernando on Dec 16th, 2016, 11:06pm:
Yes, there are some things that can not be fixed on the chip level, that the RPG will not be able to do.

Do you have a different interpretation of this mutation?

Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26th, 2015, 8:59pm:
Technopathy does basically the same, but to mechanisms. Can be even used to make broken stuff work. Reversible, like the Biopathy is.

As I learned from a discussion with The Nobody this also includes computer parts.

Jeanette Isabelle

 
A Technopath would cause a lot of problems because a lot of tech would have been restored. For a "Mutant" to have this kind of Power, he would have to have the same power and ability as the X-Men's Magneto.
 
I can see the Spirits being able to do this, Texas Spirits or otherwise. A town like Lab Town would have their Spirits to do this for them. Not normal people or mutants. At beast they can do is exchange parts/chips to get a system going. Mind you, many computer systems and parts have been buried in landfills, and when found and dug up, they will worked. 10,000 Apple Lisa were found in this condition, though a few CRT Tubes had to be replaced, and Atari's 5-million ET Game Cartridges, after 30+ years of being buried, they still worked!
 
but a Technopath would bring a lot of trouble, because a lot of teach can be brought back, including airplanes. As is I'm planning on having a few towns with gliders but that is as far as I'm going to push the tech, but a Technopath would be able to bring back a 747. This brings more problems than it solves.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Fernando
YaBB Administrator
*****
NY City




Posts: 2380
Gender: male
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1782 - Dec 17th, 2016, 11:56pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Dec 17th, 2016, 9:09pm:
Quote from Fernando on Dec 17th, 2016, 1:07pm:
This RPG came to a screeching halt because I'm complaining about the statement of all this being "Fernando's fault." As I stated, the Spirits had 40+ years to do something and from that they only help their little corners of the world. That's great, that's fine, they only helped themselves and those who are willing to work with them. Nothing wrong with that.

But to say that it is Fernando's fault when it is not, is wrong and as it is blaming him for something he is not responsible for or was not there to do something about it. They are looking at him as a scapegoat for their shortcomings, incompetence, actions and inactions.

Who was it that said he has problems with the Texas Spirits working outside of Texas?

I'm not saying Fernando was there at any time during those forty years. What I am saying is the Texas Spirits went back in time to undo the work they did because of what was said.

Quote from Fernando on Dec 17th, 2016, 1:07pm:
Whether or not the people want something the spirits made is not the point. Fernando would say, "This medical kit is what I got. Do you want it? And how many do you want? It can get here in 6 weeks or less by private messenger. If Blimps and Zeppelins are used, the trip can be shortened to days, if the weather cooperates. What do you say?"

The U.S.P.S. is still around. If the hospitals want modern medical supplies, they would already have modern medical supplies shipped to them.

Jeanette Isabelle

 
There is a difference between delivering letters and delivering packages. If the USPS is still active then the federal government is active. As stated long ago, the mail is being delivered by volunteers and still living and should be retired postal workers as there is no true set of mail service being done. People can provide their own mail/package delivery service like the Pony Express of the wild West and do the service for a fee. Let use a large Milk Crate as an example. A "mail man will out have this delivered, though a shipping agent would deliver it. But if there are 10 milk boxes of hospital supplies, it would not be done or would be done part way and the one receiving it would have to pick it up from a pick up location from there.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Fernando
YaBB Administrator
*****
NY City




Posts: 2380
Gender: male
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1783 - Dec 18th, 2016, 12:53am
 
Quote from Jeanette on Dec 17th, 2016, 8:18pm:
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Dec 17th, 2016, 10:43am:
But as a moderator you do not control the story's direction.  This is an RPG story.  You set a goal and make sure people play nice.  You do not control the story,  the players do.

I should have been clearer. I was talking about the character Jeanette in the story. The original plan was for Jeanette to remain after the mission was over.

Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Dec 17th, 2016, 10:43am:
As a player in the story you can do some but you can't force others to go your way.  Like with the guards.  I had them "fooled" into leaving their post and you didn't like it.  In my mind it worked fine,  you didn't like it but that wasn't against rules or unfair so that isn't under monitor powers and you should have rolled with it.

No rules were violated, only the continuity. What would happen if I wrote Karl, Maribelle or Teri in a way that breaks continuity? Obviously I would have to rewrite the post.

Jeanette Isabelle

 
Karl and Teri break continuity? How? They are both former slaves (though Teri is still under Maribelle's influence). Within reason, they will do as they are told, though Teri's an airhead and Karl would gripe and whine about doing it. Karl would also think about taking a shortcut to make the job easier - like sitting on top of Hondo's truck during guard duty instead f walking around. Hondo's truck is the highest point the camp has until the tractor trailer comes and then it will be higher. Teri does not know better, as she's an airhead. because she was bought up to be that way. If out of anger Jeanette told her to go kiss her ass, Teri would actually try to do it.
 
Maribelle might be a problem as all she cares about is money and political power. How that is achieve requires a lot of manipulation of people to do her bidding. In Short, Maribelle is not a nice person and that is putting it lightly. She learned from her father who was vicious.
 
Unless either of those three tries take Fernando cane and tries to alter time with it, it will not work for them. The amount of energy that flows through that cane will burn them if they managed to get past the Biometric Lock that cane has tied to Fernando genetics. So I doubt they would be able to break continuity.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Jeanette
Experianced
***




Posts: 1154
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1784 - Dec 18th, 2016, 7:39am
 
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Dec 17th, 2016, 10:26pm:
I had the guards tricked into leaving.  There was no continuity hurt.  There is no character set for the guards.

They are guards. Guards are not supposed to go AWOL.
 
Guards don't fall for tricks either unless it is convincing enough. If that is the case, there is no continuity broken. I did read that the Spirit with the slavers is a trickster but I did not see how the guards were tricked. How were the guards tricked?
 
Jeanette Isabelle
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Jeanette
Experianced
***




Posts: 1154
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1785 - Dec 18th, 2016, 9:20am
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 17th, 2016, 11:47pm:
A Technopath would cause a lot of problems because a lot of tech would have been restored. For a "Mutant" to have this kind of Power, he would have to have the same power and ability as the X-Men's Magneto.

I can see the Spirits being able to do this, Texas Spirits or otherwise. A town like Lab Town would have their Spirits to do this for them. Not normal people or mutants. At beast they can do is exchange parts/chips to get a system going. Mind you, many computer systems and parts have been buried in landfills, and when found and dug up, they will worked. 10,000 Apple Lisa were found in this condition, though a few CRT Tubes had to be replaced, and Atari's 5-million ET Game Cartridges, after 30+ years of being buried, they still worked!

but a Technopath would bring a lot of trouble, because a lot of teach can be brought back, including airplanes. As is I'm planning on having a few towns with gliders but that is as far as I'm going to push the tech, but a Technopath would be able to bring back a 747. This brings more problems than it solves.

Level also comes into play. This is what "The Setting and Rules" says about Levels.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26th, 2015, 8:59pm:
Mutant powers come in three levels. Basic [Level 1] gives you no or little control over your power, very little effect and range. Advanced [Level 2] is the next level, your power actually helps you sometimes. At Expert [Level 3] it becomes an integral part of your life. Be warned, non player characters can have Above-Expert [Level 4].

Kana, introduced in the opening story, is a Level 2 Technopath. She can only fix simple machines like mechanical clocks and watches.
 
MOST Texas Spirits are Level 4 Technopaths. Not all Spirits are Technopaths. Of the six groups I have introduced or created (one is more of a loose affiliation), only the Texas Spirits and the Japanese group they're related to are Technopaths. If you want the Spirits in the lab to be Technopaths, that's up to you.
 
Correction. A Level 4 Technopath can fix a 747.
 
I gave the Texas Spirits as a whole Level 4 Technopathy because they are environmentalists. What would be a greater power than that for those who recycle? People would not buy new cars because old cars would be in show room condition forever.
 
The further south the party travels, they will see cars a hundred years old or older in the same condition they were in when rolling of the assembly line. The mobile device and tablet computer Moro uses have also been around for a long time.
 
Jeanette Isabelle
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Jeanette
Experianced
***




Posts: 1154
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1786 - Dec 18th, 2016, 9:31am
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 17th, 2016, 11:56pm:
There is a difference between delivering letters and delivering packages. If the USPS is still active then the federal government is active. As stated long ago, the mail is being delivered by volunteers and still living and should be retired postal workers as there is no true set of mail service being done. People can provide their own mail/package delivery service like the Pony Express of the wild West and do the service for a fee. Let use a large Milk Crate as an example. A "mail man will out have this delivered, though a shipping agent would deliver it. But if there are 10 milk boxes of hospital supplies, it would not be done or would be done part way and the one receiving it would have to pick it up from a pick up location from there.

The medical supplies could be delivered another way. The point is if hospitals want modern medical supplies, they would already have them. They don't because, as you said, they don't trust Spirits.
 
Jeanette Isabelle
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Jeanette
Experianced
***




Posts: 1154
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1787 - Dec 18th, 2016, 9:41am
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 18th, 2016, 12:53am:
Karl and Teri break continuity? How? They are both former slaves (though Teri is still under Maribelle's influence). Within reason, they will do as they are told, though Teri's an airhead and Karl would gripe and whine about doing it. Karl would also think about taking a shortcut to make the job easier - like sitting on top of Hondo's truck during guard duty instead f walking around. Hondo's truck is the highest point the camp has until the tractor trailer comes and then it will be higher. Teri does not know better, as she's an airhead. because she was bought up to be that way. If out of anger Jeanette told her to go kiss her ass, Teri would actually try to do it.

Maribelle might be a problem as all she cares about is money and political power. How that is achieve requires a lot of manipulation of people to do her bidding. In Short, Maribelle is not a nice person and that is putting it lightly. She learned from her father who was vicious.

Where did this come from? All I asked is what would happen if I were to write these or other characters in a way that breaks continuity.
 
Example: Karl does not want to go back in the ring. Therefore, if I were to write Karl volunteering to take on a certain fighter in the ring, I would be breaking continuity.
 
Jeanette Isabelle
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Fernando
YaBB Administrator
*****
NY City




Posts: 2380
Gender: male
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1788 - Dec 18th, 2016, 11:59am
 
Quote from Jeanette on Dec 18th, 2016, 7:39am:
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Dec 17th, 2016, 10:26pm:
I had the guards tricked into leaving.  There was no continuity hurt.  There is no character set for the guards.

They are guards. Guards are not supposed to go AWOL.

Guards don't fall for tricks either unless it is convincing enough. If that is the case, there is no continuity broken. I did read that the Spirit with the slavers is a trickster but I did not see how the guards were tricked. How were the guards tricked?

Jeanette Isabelle

 
Hmmm... a guard or guards that were tricked into leaving their area is not AWOL. They are doing their job of investigating a possible situation that could lead into trouble if left alone. So the guards are in fact doing their job and not AWOL. They may not be at their assigned area but they doing their job of investigating a possible situation.
 
Now, if these guards went out of their post and had a beer and not yet returned, then they are AWOL. To be AWOL, one has to be in dereliction of their duty. Being tricked or fooled into investigating outside of their assigned post, is doing their job and not being AWOL because investigating situations is part of their job. Going out to get a beer is not part of their job.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Hondo I. Sackett
YaBB Administrator
*****
Behind you!




Posts: 1349
Gender: male
Re: After Chaos
Reply #1789 - Dec 18th, 2016, 12:27pm
 
Thank you,  jefe
Back to top
 
 

Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
Pages: 1 ... 177 178 179 180 181 ... 305