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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1760 - Dec 11th, 2016, 9:04pm
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 11th, 2016, 12:46pm:
Again, this is where Jeanette being an envoy would work best for their benefit - both the people and the spirits. She does not have to tell them that she is working for them, all she has to do is say that she is representing a group of investors, medical workers, what ever, from Israel, Japan, what ever

This sounds a little suspicious to me. If this town or hospital does not want anything from Spirits because they don't trust them, what will be the first thing they will ask when someone is selling modern medical supplies?
 
Quote from Fernando on Dec 11th, 2016, 12:46pm:
If she needs to barrow Fernando's civil war surgical field kit, she is welcomed to it if she asks for it first. She can then look it over and see how simple it is; with the exception of a couple of handles, everything but the box is made of metal. The handles on those few items are made of wood though plastic can be used instead.

Why a Civil War surgical kit? There are modern medical supplies.
 
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Reply #1761 - Dec 11th, 2016, 10:48pm
 
Think like a business person. If you are selling an item and a customer asks, "Where did this come from? Who made them?" All the seller has to do is point to the sign on the box that says, "Made in Japan (or Israel or wherever...)"
 
If they "Why are they being sold, are they military surplus, over stocked supplies, NOS (New Old Stock- stock that never sold or was used and sat on a shelf for years)? The sell can give any viable reason they would want.
 
If they continue to ask, then explain, "Texas is the only place with a working sea dock. The ships came in with these and I bought them and sold them all over Texas. I still have a a warehouse full of them. Now, if you buy them, as soon as the railroad/highways are clear, your shipment will arrive soon after. If you do not want them, then Ill go to another hospital that would be interested. Mind you, the first shipment is free for you to have and test. If you like it you can order more. What shall it be?"
 
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This Civil War kit is still a viable surgical kit, and many field kits are made in the same scope of things in it. The only differences is that today's kits use plastic handles instead of wooden handles, and the case is water proof to survive a deep dunk. This kit will keep the items dry during wet weather but it will not survive a dunk in deep water.
 
Further more, this is a complete military medical kit for any operation a surgeon would face on the battle field. The issue here is the modern field surgical kit has disposable scalpels and other tools. The Civil War kit as a scalpel and blade tools that one can sharpen again and again. The modern kit can not be reused, it has to be disposed after surgery. The Civil War Kit you can throw the blades into boiling water or with bleach or alcohol and disinfect them and use them again and again.
 
The only thing that the civil war kit does not have that a modern kit has are gloves. The kit can be modernized with a better case and gloves and maybe a few modern tools. But when you are out in a hospital like this where they need to barrow a butcher's blade because they ran out of scalpels, this kit will be a god send, given its size of a small sneaker box.
 
Like you told us that the technology must not exceed 1800's unless they rebuilt something more modern with old tech, Medicine is in a similar situation. There are no MRI Machine, there are no Diagnostic Medical Computers, there are no PET and CAT Scanners except for a place like Lab Town. There are X-ray machines. There are no surgical robots or STEM Cell Therapy, but there is the old fashion surgery done by the old fashion Surgeon. This Kit has everything a Lo-Tech hospital surgeon needs for any surgery outside of an organ transplant.
 
Believe it or not, Doctors Without Borders use such a kit when in primitive Africa, poverty stricken South/Central America and in war zones like Syria and Iran.
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Reply #1762 - Dec 12th, 2016, 12:29am
 
In the post you did before this, I will point out that in the 40years they has to do something about this, they did nothing. Yet they complain about a male EMT who has rubbed their noses in the shit they created.
 
History:
 
After the Atomic Bombing of Nagaski and Hiroshima, the cities were rebuilt in less than five years after two years of clean up and the scientists declare the area safe for reoccupation. That is less then 7 years a city that was burnt off the face of the planet was recreated.
 
Dresden and other German cities that were burnt down from bombing raids, were rebuilt in under 8 years, including the highways and railroads that connected them. Same with the burning of Tokyo and Okinawa before the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
Outside of the RPG Content, it was purely a human effort. In the RPG Content, what spirits they worked with, help rebuild these cities, their connecting roads and railroads in a short amount of time.
 
So it is total bull that for 40 years they did nothing to help others when they only helped Charlton and areas of Texas and then blame Fernando for their inaction and inactivity of helping others when he points out a gripe he has about what they are doing or not doing.  
 
Story wise, these settlements rebuilt themselves with what little they got with some or no help from the spirits - Texas Spirits or other spirit groups. And the couple we hit on are connected and know of each other. Some does trade with each other, others don't. There is a political foot print of settlement officials - elected or otherwise. There is law and justice though some may be corrupt but it is there. These people have brought themselves up from nothing.
 
To say that the Spirits have a rebuilt railroad up to where we are, is bull. Only one was there a mention of  character leaving and saying, I'll figure out the trains to get to Colorado to get on a train to Charlton where there is a connection. There is a big difference between Montana and Colorado - about 1200 mile difference. I'll give it that they made to Colorado, but that is only as far as they went. And they did not improve the highways nor the towns, that they did on their own. As this RPG stands as you stated, there are no direct connection from Montana/Idaho to Charlton Tx.
 
Jeanette as an envoy in getting supplies to the hospital is simple. In fact you wanted to something like this but I'm expanding the role. If the people that the medical kits were from the spirits, they would not want them. Jeanette needs to represent the people of Texas as they are the one doing this deal. The word Spirit should not ever be uttered from her lips. She mentions that word, then no one will want them because as soon as she walks back to the camper, word on the 2-way radio airways will be filled of this strange looking woman selling spirit-ware to hospital and then she will not be able to deal with another hospital again.
 
Furthermore, Jeanette is an EMT Professional. When doing this part, she needs to look the part of an EMT Professional and not some character from the lost pages of "Little Women." She needs to look at a medical professional in the eye and tell them why they need this equipment, compared to what little they have. She can look like some left over out of place pioneer woman of the 1840s wild west when in camp, she has to look like an EMT Professional when dealing with others in the medical field or she loses all respect from the community - medical or otherwise. The reason being is because no one out here knows who Jeanette is.
 
This RPG world is set in the world of Fallout 4, where it is 2077.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lWNdcbq3EU
 
But it is also in real life I posted this in facebook - a settlement north of Moscow where life there is like a settlement in the RPG. Thing is in this real life situation, who would Putin tax a Loaf of Bread? These people work for food and services, not for money because money is so hard to get. So getting a car repaired is a couple of loaves of bread or a dozen eggs.
http://www.dw.com/en/putins-plans-to-tax-the-garazhniki/av-36488130
 
In Budapest Hungry, the underground people still thrive, even though they were raided in 2015. Led by a guy named Bruce Lee, the homeless have a place to go to and still there to this day. He gives them law and order, and reason to live. This article is of his work in 2014 and has been going on since the fall of the Soviet Union.
http://www.boredpanda.com/underground-sewer-life-bruce-lee-bucharest/
 
And my experience with Lithuania makes those three examples look like a day in the park. In the 10 years I help them reestablish themselves as a viable nation, they are now #1 in Computer Technology Education in Europe, #1 in worker satisfaction and #1 in many other areas. 10 years from when I helped that nation.
 
In all that, 40 years and nothing was done by the spirits and they blame Fernando for the problems What a load of crock is that!
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Reply #1763 - Dec 15th, 2016, 12:56pm
 
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My criticism to this RPG is that spirits are given too much power and the character nearly have none. They are also given too much credit for work they were not involved with it. They are so controlling and interfering that Jeanette cannot make a move without their action and even permission to take action, and she is being manipulated into taking action as per their bidding what ever it is. Both Jeanette the character and Jeanette write need to see this because Jeanette the writer has painted herself into a corner she can not get her writing out of.
 
As I stated in the above post - for little has happened in the 40 years while the spirits were in "power" in Texas, and then blame Fernando for everything wrong that has happened is a crock of shit. And as a writer the Fernando character and his associated characters, I will write their reactions as so. In real human history, cities and settlements have restored themselves from their boot straps from situations worst than this situation from the RPG. Life was hard during those years of recovery but things got done and they recovered.
 
This RPG, as I stated, is like the video gave Fallout 4. I miscalculated on its date - it is 2177, not 2077, almost 200 years since "That day." It is fixated in the state of Massachusetts but that is a lot of area to cover for one person to do. The only thing is that vehicles that actually do work like cars, trucks, trains, ship, planes and helicopters are owned by the government (Local settlements, the recovering federal government, the minuteman militia, organized crimes and raiders).
 
This RPG, as I also stated, is like the situations I stated above. That Russian settlement above Moscow where 30,000 people live and work because they can not get jobs that pays well and what money they do make is heavily taxed using bread, food and others items (tools, materials, clothing, so on), it is doing well in this trade situation, so well that Putin and Moscow wants to tax these poor people but how do you tax a loaf of bread?
 
The Homeless situation in Bucharest is as bad as the homeless situation used to be in NYC - where there was underground cities in abandoned train stations including abandoned areas of Grand Station, Penn Station, and Time Square. Unfortunately, under Mayor Bloomberg, those areas were flushed out. And only recently the same situation in Lithuania was taken cared off. It was so bad there that children were abandoned because they could not be sold. And children lives in the subway system because there was no more money to run the trains or electricity to power them. At least they were kept warm during their harsh winters.
 
No matter the situation, people have rebuilt what they once had when given time and resources to figure things out. That is what this RPG is about. To say the 'the spirits this', 'the spirits that' and 'everything is Fernando's fault because...' is Malarkey, Ying Yang, excrement of male Bovines. You as the writer and the GM stated that the Spirits for had the entire state of Texas, then you narrowed it down to Clarton and a few other points. After that you stated they rebuilt the railroads to a few towns outside of Texas. And I was willing to accept that.
 
The problem is with your last posts you stated that they rebuilt the railroads to where we are at. That is what I am calling you on because that, according to the history you professed,  never happened. There is more than 1 spirit group and people outside of Texas have have bad experiences with them, so with few exceptions, to them any spirit is a bad spirit and they do not want to deal with spirits. The train tracks and the roads are maintained by the towns and settles they go through. Things are not perfect in this world but at least they are working.
 
In this RPG, the spirits have one job - to protect and assist Jeanette in her trek to getting Gabrielle to Charlton. Anything else is just added on and they are want more from Jeanette than just Gabrielle. They want her too. I do not care about the journal, I gave you reasons as to why it works and not work and you gave up on it. But then you bring it back. The Object and Goal of this RPG is simple, Get Gabrielle and take her to Charlton. Along the way we will interact with many people, towns and settlements. If they want to come with us to Charlton that is on them as it may be written.
 
But keep in mind this - we can be successful in this RPG's mission or we can fail. For me that is a 50/50 of it happening and that gives the RPG something to work with. If this were 100% sure that Gabrielle would be rescued and taken to Charlton, then let the spirits teleport her from her hell hole of a home and to the school in Charlton she will reside in - they do not need Fernando and Jeanette to do this. And then this RPG is not worth doing. But because there is an equal  chance of success and failure, giving it a challenge, and thus the RPG has a life, and goals. It is worth doing.
 
You need to reassess your writing and why you are doing this. You need to look at your characters and their actions as if somebody else wrote them. And you need to think - why is the writer writing this? What is the message, what is the point? And if you could make changes, where would they be? Do not answer for yourself, you will fail in reassessing the writing if you do.
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Reply #1764 - Dec 16th, 2016, 7:39pm
 
Clearly you will not believe what I say without proof. I have been putting the proof together since Monday. As you see the Texas Spirits went back in time several times, though not every time, because of your or Fernando's complaints or actions. As you see the Texas Spirits have done work outside of Texas and they went back in time to fix that. After they fix that there are complaints that they have not done anything. This is why I spent the past five days compiling the proof.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Aug 13th, 2015, 12:45pm:
Note: This is written in collaboration with Fernando.

Hearing the commotion in the other camper, Fernando wakes up before he can go to sleep. Hearing somebody leave from the other camper, he sits up and looks as to who it was, and more importantly, why it was.

In seeing Jeanette leave, Fernando gets his pants and goes over to the gas lantern, turning on the mini-sun in a globe. One final check to make sure he has the keys to the camper, he goes after her without shoes, sox or shirt.

Jeanette has her flashlight pointing to the ground, in the direction she's facing. She tries to speak but can't get the words out. She clears her throat. "I'm just going to the bathroom." She suddenly realizes something. She checks her pajama top and lets out a sigh of relief. She did button up her pajama top before stepping out.

"Bathroom or not, you should not go alone. Now what's going on?" He asks, adding, "And don't tell me 'nothing.'"

"I never went back. I chose to stay?" Jeanette shakes her head. "No."

"And?" He says to her. "Don't get me wrong but understand this - do not trust what that book says. You did not go back, the question is why? Fell in Love? Got married? Had a baby? I don't know nor do I care. But think - she said that 'Old Jeanette is there.' Explain how could you not return if you are old there now but young here now? You had to have gone back but stayed within your community and grew old. So you never left in that sense. If you did not return, how could that Jeanette be old? If you stayed, it would be a young Jeanette there now, which would cause problems when you arrive. Such a Time Paradox would blow up the universe. So don't believe the hype that book says. Not until it is all is said and done."

Jeanette is lost. "Old Jeanette? Where did that come from? Even if I returned, I would have died a few years ago."

"Didn't Hikaru said that you were there in Texas? How can you be there if you are here? And who said you would have died years ago? My grandmother died at 113, but all of her brothers died in their 60s and sisters in their 80s. It's a roll of the genetic dice that you won't know until you get there. I'm saying, the hell with the book. You got a job to do, you will do it. You got decisions to make, you will make it. That book is just what could be. You make one change in your actions based on that book, its text will change, so it is not as fixed as you dare think. And anyone who reads it will have their memories altered as what they remember reading." He tells her.

"Hikaru didn't say I'm in Texas. As I mentioned over the years, people on Mom's side of the family don't live long. My oldest living relative is in her 70s. As for the book, Hikaru is comparing my journal entry with her copy. The fact she's spending a lot of time doing so tells me something. And how would I know if any attempt I make to change history would result in fulfilling it?"

"So? No male on my father's side made it past 55. You think I'm going to crawl into my coffin as soon as I hit 54 and 1/2? Hell no! I intend to live to the next century if possible or die trying. Same should you." He tells her. "The fact that she is spending too much time with her copy of your journal says that she is either a nosey bitch looking for the juicy bits or she is nosey and wants to see the juicy bits happen. But anything that changes, and you write those changes, the letters in her copy will be changing too. It is not in a Temporal Status Bubble to stabilize it from changes. Neither are Hikaru's memories. So she says you did not return, does not mean that you won't return. Maybe. Just maybe, you ran out of pages at the time of writing that journal and you went back home when you could not write anymore. So in short Jeanette, never say never."

Jeanette's not going to argue with Fernando about her family history. "Hikaru has had fifty something years to read her copy. If it is clearly different, she would not be spending this much time checking one entry." Jeanette pauses. "If you're right, her copy is an exact match because her memory and copy changes with every deviation I make. Hikaru said I never returned not because of what the journal says but because she's been here the entire fifty-six years. When you get your equipment, will you be able to tell if any changes were made?"

"If and when, yes I will be able too." He answers.

"What would it mean if we're in an infinite loop, assuming I'm using the right terminology? What I mean is, what if history can't be change and no matter what I do, Hikaru's copy of the journal remains unchanged and accurate? But let's suppose I do decide to return. Is a new time line created as a result or is it more complicated than that?"

"It's a little more complicated that that. These events will continue to repeat themselves again and again until something stops it. With subtle differences, each run through the loop will be the same. It will take one event to stop it, it can be big or small but it is the keystone that holds the others together." He explains, "It's like this. You can stop Columbus from 'discovering America' but you can not stop someone else from doing the same because the event of America's discovery will happen no matter what. At his time there were 12 different proposals to do this expedition from 4 different nations. For us it is a matter of finding out which event does it and for you to do what you think is right for you, not for me, Hikaru or what it says in a book. If it means that you fell in love with somebody here, married than and begin to raise a family here, I'm not stopping you. Just do me the favor and do not forget who you are."

Jeanette gets to what's bugging her. "If I return, creating another time line as a result, would my sisters, in this time, have to continue on without me?"

"I do not control what happens between you and your sisters. If you return, you will be with them again. It is you not returning that causes them to be without you. But what happens when you are with them is on you. You can not allow that happens here and what you learn here to effect the events of the past if and when you return. One of your sisters has children, then let her have children. One of your sisters get married, then let them get married. If you have your own children or get married or both, then do it because it is something you want, not because it is written in book. But I will say this - to raise their and your own families means that you and your sisters will live separately. Accept that because that is life. They will still be your sisters and you three will continue to be doing sisterly things. So do not think about altering time lines or what ifs. Just think about what is best for you and what you can do to obtain it when you are finished here." He explains.

Jeanette believes time lines do play a role. It looks like, to get the answer she is after, she has to break it down piece by piece. "If I return, would another time line be created?"

"Without my tools I would not know. It depends on how the loop is broken. But you should not concern yourself with that. You should concern yourself with what you think is best for you. So, what is best for you?" He says and asks.

"I'm more concerned for my sisters than I am for myself. If returning creates another time line, I have fixed nothing because my sisters in this time line would still have gone on without me."

“It is a time loop, it will constantly repeat itself until that loop is broken. Once it is broken it goes to the beginning and continues on the new time line uninterrupted and un-looped. The loop is destroyed and never happened. In that you can go back to your sisters and a new history is reestablished.” He begins. “Chances are 50/50 that WWIII breaks out or not, but the volcanoes and earthquakes will occur because natural events can not be stopped. If WWIII does not happen then something else will happen but whether it is bad or good remains to be seen. There is nothing you can do. If you obsess over it, you will be locked up in the psyche ward again. You need to live life to the best of your ability to make yourself, your sisters and if any - your significant other happy.”

He continues, “The point is this - reading the book invokes the loop. It is the start of the loop sometime in the future when it is finished, published and brought back in time. I will even dare state that it is the book that brings in the spirits. How or why - because it is you that the Spirits want. What's the connection? I have to ask, did they read the book sometime in the future? If yes, then that is the reason why they want you. Mind you, this is my own constructed connection as to why. Now the problem is to break the loop. The more you learn from the book, the deeper you get into the loop, making it that much more difficult to get out of it. From the tiny amount you now know, you are now stuck in the loop. You lost what chance to break the loop from this point. There will be other opportunities to break it though it will be harder to do. But if you continue to read it before, you will get worse, something bad happens, and you will be at home again typing on your computer with a crow on the computer screen, nothing was fixed and time re-loops again.”

He pauses for a second, “It has to stop and you have to do the mission the Spirits gave, complete it and then be able to come back in time where you are with your sisters. And then you can hope for the best and prepare for the worst, including your sisters. But you to live life to the fullest or back the psyche ward you go when you start obsessing again.”

“This question begs to be asked. If the time line is to be destroyed
anyhow, what's the point of the mission?” Jeanette asks.

“The mission is to rescue Gabriela so she can make her community thrive. End mission. You stay for a while to make sure that things are OK for Gabriela and when that is done, you are back in front of your computer again hours after you had left. The Time Line is restored not destroyed, but the loop is destroyed.”

Jeanette lets out a sigh of relief. “That's a relief. If I decide to go back, would I remember anything?”

“We are not at that point where we could go back because of the book. But lets say it was a successful mission and you go home. You will have the memories when you return on May 1, 2010. If Hikaru tells you that you do not return, you need to realize that it is just one point of view, and that point of view can change as events change in the loop until the loop is broken."

"It seems I had to hear that several times before I finally got it." Jeanette is happy to admit that. "If events in the loop change or the loop is broken, would Hikaru remember a different past, one in which I return?"

"If the loop breaks, than those events that lead to it are remembered. What do you want to do when it breaks, stay in 2066 or return to 2010?"

Jeanette refers to something she is not clear on. "I'm not clear on 'those events that lead to it are remembered.' I want to return to 2010."

"OK, in simple terms, all events are remembered. But in a loop, when things go back to repeat, most things are forgotten because they revert to their original state before it begins again. In a loop that is broken and you return to your time, you remember."

Jeanette rephrases the question about Hikaru to get an answer. "When I break the loop, how does this affect the memories of someone like, for example, Hikaru who read the published journal?"

"When you write your journal, those differences are also made in the published journal. Hikaru, in reading the published journal, would have her memories changed according to those changes."

"Okay, so Hikaru's memories are changed but other people's memories are not."

"Anyone who is involved has their memories changed. It's those who are not involved, though the event wave will also go through them, those events are not part of their history so they are not affected."

"Does the loop break when I write my next journal entry or before?" Jeanette asks.

"The event breaks before you write it down."

Toward the beginning of the conversation Fernando did say, "[Hikaru] said that 'Old Jeanette is there.' Explain how could you not return if you are old there now but young here now? You had to have gone back but stayed within your community and grew old. So you never left in that sense. If you did not return, how could that Jeanette be old?"

Jeanette thought Fernando was confused. What if he isn't confused? What if the time loop is already broken? If so, would Hikaru be in the Camper comparing her copy of the journal with the original? Did Hikaru bring her copy of the journal with her? The fact Fernando mentioned it in the conversation suggests that Hikaru did.

Jeanette poses a question that could clear things up. "What if I arrive in Charlton, see my old self, return to 2010, take the immortality pill, remain in Duncanville/Charlton for fifty-six years and begin the job at the orphanage?"

"There are no 'Immortality Pills' here because I do not have them with me, only the Bio Energy Healing Pills, and those are limited supply. And I do not give out those pills like that. But for the sake of argument, I give you one of those pills in 2010. Time continues, the events you live out for the next 50-something years will be those you live by and you become Old Jeanette. But that is if you complete this mission and get to Charlton." He explains to her, "Now, if we are done here and you do not need to go to the bathroom, I need my 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. And I mean 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep."

With his lantern dimming, he twists a knob on it and a little Plunger Valve pops out. By covering a hole on the plunger knob with his thumb on the in stroke and uncovering it with every out stroke, he feeds the fuel system some much needed air with about ten pumping strokes, making it bright again. With the plunger valve back in, he gives it a twist and locks it in place again.

"If you're going, I would urge you to use my lantern and save the battery on that light-stick of yours." As he holds out his lantern by it's handle to her, "It should last another half hour, and to turn it off, twist this knob to the left until the flame inside the glass bowl goes out."

"Okay." Jeanette turns off her flashlight and holds it to her body using the arm holding the roll of toilet paper. With her free hand she retrieves the lantern from Fernando.

After returning from the bathroom, Jeanette goes to the door of her Camper, holds the roll of toilet paper to her body using the arm holding the lantern and, with her free hand, turns the knob to the left until the flame is out. With her free hand, she opens the side door to the Camper and places the extinguished lantern on the floor. With her hand that held the lantern, she removes the flashlight held between her body and arm, aims the flashlight to the ground (to give her light without waking anyone up) and turns it on. She steps in the Camper and closes the door.

Jeanette places the roll of toilet paper on the table. Putting it back in the cabinet may wake up Danielle. Her journal is not on the table. Jeanette opens her Pelican case and, still holding her flashlight in the downward position, she sees her journal with the bright yellow cover. Jeanette does not know if Hikaru returned the journal to the case after checking it with her copy or if she did not check it at all. Jeanette closes the case.

Jeanette does not check the time. It may already be May 1 or close to it. She turns off the flashlight and climbs back into bed.

Jeanette Isabelle and Fernando.

We wrote this post because of a complaint you the writer had about the direction I was going. This broke the time loop so the Texas Spirits had to fix it by altering the timeline. They altered the time line for the first time by forming an alliance with Arendelle. This alliance allowed Arendelle to remain a nation during the entire past 250 years.
 
http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1428938728/551#551
 
This is one of many posts in this conversation. Because of this entire exchange the Texas Spirits had to alter the timeline a second time to be sure everything is to the letter, every T is crossed and every I is dotted. To be sure there are no holes, the Texas Spirits had to establish a nation for themselves on Earth. To be sure the creation and continued existence of Charlton is legal, the Texas Spirits established Charlton as a nation before America was discovered, occupied it and defended it during its entire existence. Before the time line was altered Charlton was nothing more than another settlement in Texas.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Apr 15th, 2016, 10:22pm:
Moro nods. "I'm well aware a city bus burns a lot of diesel. We need more and more methods of public transportation as the population of Texas continues to grow. We are also doing work in New Mexico and Oklahoma with the goal of Texas, New Mexico and Oklahoma being the first three states of the United States reborn. We are using rail systems, both electric and diesel, as much as it's environmentally feasible. There are areas where a bus is more environmentally feasible. With its configuration, it can only sleep a few people; because the bus will be going to Texas anyhow, no extra fuel is being used for this bit of comfort.

"I know how to drive a bus. You and Jeanette will continue to drive the VW ambulances.

"You, Hondo and Valentine did very well. After the ladies and I got out of church, one of my fellow Spirits told me what you did. If you need a mechanic, let me know. Wait, Hondo is using his own money for this project?" Shocked

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"I don't know about my fellow Spirits, I certainly love what Hondo has done. The plan was to provide extra space for the party, once reaching civilization, without burning extra fuel."

"Why are we suddenly in civilization once we reach Kansas?" Jeanette asks.

"It would have been better if I had said things would start to look better when we are in Kansas." Moro begins to answer. "There are a couple of reasons. One reason is Interstate 35, a much needed road, had work done to it."

Jeanette Isabelle

These first indications of the Texas Spirits working outside of Texas were written shortly after the second change in the time line. I wrote two more story posts stating what the Texas Spirits have done and are doing outside of Texas.
 
http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1428938728/940#948
 
http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1428938728/990#990
 
However you, the writer, say what is opposite of what's in the story.
 
Quote from Fernando on May 3rd, 2016, 6:24pm:
The Texas spirits are working in Texas only, and have yet to expand to the rest of the USA when they had 40+ years do have done so but did little. Thus people and communities outside of Texas have been working on their own to get things working again. One such way is to clean up the highways some 5 - 10 miles from their settlements to ensure that travelers and merchants can get there in relative safety but past that 10 miles, you're taking your life into your hands. But the towns communities did that much and continue to do more. many have worked on their own power grids whether it is solar, wind, oil, coal or hydroelectric - it is still out there and what can be repaired to give power, they will work it out.  If a town has 10 wind generators giving power since the 1990s and has another 5 more that were toppled over, they will, in time, get those toppled wind generators back up and making and making power again. It will not look like the original wind generator next to it, but it will provide power. Where are the spirits in this? So things are getting done with or without the the Texas spirits outside of Texas.

 
In a note I wrote more on what the Texas Spirits have done and are doing.
 
Quote from Jeanette on May 19th, 2016, 2:56pm:
Quote from Fernando on May 18th, 2016, 2:57pm:
Personal Note:

Looking over my notes, a trip to Denver would be:

From West Yellowstone... Back track
West to I:15,then South on I:15
Turn East to I:80
I:80 to Cheyenne, Wy
Turn South
I:105(?) to Ft Collins
continue South to...
Denver, Co

Several Big Cities/Towns along the way:
Logan, ut
Salt Lake Cit, Ut
Green River, Wy
Rock Springs, Wy
Rawins, Wy
Laramie, Wy
Cheyenne, Wy
Ft. Collins, Co
Denver, Co

There are many smaller towns along the way.

Estimated time to get there: 12 days if rushed. 20+ days if taking time to rest up, sleep, to do maintenance, etc.

And that is IF the roads are manageable.

Note: I'm going over your list with the areas the Texas Spirits are working in. For this part of the U.S. territory, they are working on Interstate 15, Interstate 25, Interstate 70, Interstate 80 and U.S. 287 and the cities and towns along those highways. Some areas are complete. Others are a work in progress.

Jeanette Isabelle

I left something out. The Texas Spirits went back in time to create Penny.
 
Meanwhile Fernando says the Texas Spirits need to do what they have been doing which is learning from their mistakes and correcting those mistakes.
 
Quote from Fernando on May 24th, 2016, 7:30pm:
"What ever the spirits want, they did it and are doing it the wrong way. If they are Time Travelers, they can take the lessons learned here, go back in time and fix the mistakes they had made and none of this would be here as it is. However Penny and Wilbur posses a puzzle, not a problem, for you to solve. If bonding with the girl is the key to solve the puzzle, then figure it out. But she is a person with wants and needs on an emotional level of a child. My concern is Wilbur, because to negate the sale of Penny to you, all he had to do is give you back your money, take back the papers and rip up the receipt, just like one would with a car. Remember, I got the trailer for him so they had a safe place to sleep, eat and shower when they can not go to a hotel. As far as I am concerned, the trailer is his to keep with or without Penny because you do not want 'another male in the camp' accessing the showers the girls use."

 
Something else I left out is the Texas Spirits went back in time yet again because Jeanette complained about how Penny was raised and because she told Moro that Elsa needed to see a psychologist as soon as she arrived in the year 2066.
 
In the following you are stating that I had said the Texas Spirits are not fixing roads outside of Texas.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 12th, 2016, 1:54pm:
Technical & Personal Note:

The Spirits are only working in Texas. They are rebuilding the Power Grid, Rail Ways, and highways there. They are not, as per your (Jeanette - the writer) admission that the Texas spirits are not operating, fixing or repairing roads outside of Texas. They may have interests in such areas outside of Texas, but they have not done anything for to improve the way. At best they surveyed the roads and put down to map they clearest way to get to Charlton Texas though the (former) Interstate highway system. Jeanette, Fernando and the "crew" is no where near Texas, as they are in the lower part of Montana or there abouts, only having traveled some 200 miles from their starting point and have another 1600+ miles to go. The 1600+ miles depends on what roads they take and thus it can be longer or shorter.

Except by some cooperation with some other Spirits to get people and the campers to Jeanette, the Texas Spirits did nothing on the improvement of the roads in this area as they are still concentrating their efforts in Texas. This has been done by the people and towns of the area. Thus in knowing this - Fernando does not give a rat's rear end about what claims Moro has about the Texas Spirits did in Texas because it has no affect or ramifications on where they are at in the current moment, which is no where near in Texas. Perhaps when they reach Texas and Fernando sees what was done that he may have a change of thought about them. But until them, Moro does not have a leg to stand on.

Remember, this trip is to take several days, if not weeks to complete. Possibly even months. It is best to make the best of it and do what has to be done. All Fernando sees is Moro bragging about the Spirits and their accomplishments; and he sees little to nothing in what they are doing in the here and now. Perhaps if Moro was a more pro-active member of the group in finding safe haven mutant friendly towns to drive to or fresh food to barter or gather and does her share of the work to take care of the camp site and those who are part of it, things would go easier. I am not saying that she should be in the kitchen tending to the children, but there is a situation of slavers raiding group, who is going to do what when they strike? The crows will protect Jeanette and those near her, but what about the others? I doubt they will extend themselves that much to protect 20+ people. Thus Fernando and Hondo are going to gather Intel on the Slavers and if needed, do a preemptive strike against them to protect the group and the nearby towns. In the end this is a Mad Max World, but one that is more recovered and thus more organized and more capable like a small city-state nation.

So far I have presented five posts in which I had said the Texas Spirits are working outside of Texas.
 
Protection was offered to everyone in the party. Hondo and Fernando threatened to leave the party if the Texas Spirits protect anyone else besides Jeanette.
 
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Apr 25th, 2016, 11:11pm:
Hondo: don't like it for several reasons. Amongst those is intimidatin' honest folks, an' ifin they can get a ship here y'all don't need us. They can give you supplies, scare all your enemies to death, an' take you wherever. You don't need me,  the campers, our supplies, guns, none of it. If in that's how it is let me know. Val an' I will be gone tonight.

Quote from Fernando on Apr 25th, 2016, 11:27pm:
"I can't agree with Hondo any more." Fernando agrees, "And I will leave with him it is is true."

Quote from Fernando on Apr 26th, 2016, 1:00pm:
Personal note:
The Texas Spirits are to help Jeanette in case she gets into trouble that she can not get out of; they are there to protect her.

Again I write a post saying the Texas Spirits are working outside of Texas.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 12th, 2016, 5:26pm:
Note: Earlier I did say they are only operating in Texas. As I studied the infrastructure I realized the Texas Spirits couldn't be confined to just Texas. They need to go beyond the Texas border. As I looked beyond the Texas border, I saw opportunities in what's left of the United States and Canada. So yes, the Texas Spirits did repair entire sections of the Interstate highway system outside of Texas.

Because of what you and your player character are doing, I'm having to fight every lie spoken and every dreamed-up accusation instead of actually writing a story. The Texas Spirits were proactive. Guess who complained about it and threatened to leave and guess who is the player who wrote two crewmembers going AWAL?

The party does not need to make deals to get protection. But guess what, two people threatened to walk out because of the protection they were receiving. Protection is there for ALL members of the party, not just Jeanette.

Jeanette Isabelle

Finally I get something that looks like an acknowledgement that the Texas Spirits are working outside of Texas.
 
Quote from Fernando on Jun 12th, 2016, 7:34pm:
Fernando is playing his character. And I did say that he will do and say things that others will not like.

I find problems with the Texas Spirits working outside of Texas as you stated, because it makes the RPG too simple to do. With them in the mix, there ill be no highway gangs, no slavers, no raiders, no Pro & Anti Mutant towns, not much of a challenge to anyone in this RPG.

Furthermore you have stated "Japan, Israel and parts of the USA exists. The rest of the world was destroyed." That is where I get my point about getting Latex from Mexico being difficult as Mexico would have been destroyed by this logic. Thus Canada would be destroyed too.

It is more believable that the towns and villages cleaned up the highways up to 10 miles so they can be connected to other towns but the middle part between towns would be a problem. The Texas Spirits would believable if they remained and worked in Texas. People outside of Texas would know of them as interfering, and making one sided deals because that is how they see them. It just shows that no body is getting the big picture on what is going on and them being secretive only makes it worst. It anything they extended their work just 100 miles outside of Texas but that would be the limit they would reach.

We go to Sturgess, we can talk to various groups, make deals for safe passage for what favors we can do for them, and they can get us what is the fastest route and mutant friendly towns are there along the way.

Such a trip is possible. Consider this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsAVL2wROww
3 girls and a guy in a vw camper on a 6 week, 10,000 mile journey. Thing is, they broke down a couple of times and we have yet to do so. They got their maps, and made friends along the way - great for them. This is what I'm going for - town hopping and making friends where we can. Though the video is sped up, they are averaging 65MPH. We, because of the condition of the roads, are doing 45 at best. Much of their North/Mid Western ride is what we are taking, especially the ride around Yellowstone Park where we are currently at from my calculations. And in this area, what interstates are there at least 50 miles away.

We can make this fun and serious or the spirits can get us a magic carpet and get us to Gabrielle and then to Texas through use of their teleport beam. You wanted an RPG, you got an RPG. Jeanette is doing fine but she could be doing better. All the other characters are being played to the best of the abilities of their players and circumstances given. The Texas Spirits working out s Texas would not work because they would not be the Texas Spirits. They would be the North American Spirits, and that will not go well with the other spirits.

So we can continue as we were or you can get the Texas Spirits to Teleport us all to Texas and end the RPG at this point. Do the latter, any future RPG would not be worth doing.

Just because Fernando as a character is pointing out issues and problems he sees the Spirits are doing does not end the RPG. Nor does it take them out of character. Fernando is playing his role in his mistrust and anger against them. Nothing more. Moro is either to accept him as he is or leave. It's that simple. If it makes her uncomfortable, then Fernando is doing his job. She is supposed to be a Spirit, a level above what she thinks Fernando is, so what Fernando has to say about is to roll off her like water off a duck's ass. But she's going to nitpick and try to convince him of others wise? That says that she is hiding  lot more than meets the eye and he can see through that veil of secrecy. That is all I can say on the subject.

In response to what you said, I wrote the following.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jun 13th, 2016, 3:37pm:
Note: In the next change in the time line all repairs to the power grid or Interstate highway system or expansions will be undone.

The last time the Texas Spirits went back in time they fixed things by not fixing the power grids and highways outside of Texas. The only thing the Texas Spirits have been doing outside of Texas the past forty years besides maintaining relationships with other nations is operating and maintaining their railroad and the power plants that supply the electricity the railroad needs for this such as train stations, railroad crossings and so forth.
 
The Texas Spirits think they know what went wrong and Moro confessed to it.
 
Quote from Jeanette on Nov 13th, 2016, 8:07pm:
Moro continues. "We think we know what happened. In more than one science fiction franchise there is some sort of noninterference clause or rule. It looks like we broke it."

"So you caused the happening?" Jeanette asks.

"No. It's the opposite. We did everything we could to soften the series of events that the people in this time line call the Happening. That is the problem. If we did not intervene like we did, those events would have run its course and the world would not be in recovery mode decades later."

With the last time the Texas Spirits went back in time to fix what they did and Moro's confession, I thought we could have a story without arguments. Is there a complaint that the Texas Spirits have not done anything outside of Texas other than maintain and operate their railroad and power plants or am I misreading this? If I am reading this right and if this is a complaint that the Texas Spirits have not done much outside of Texas in the past forty years then I need to point it out.
 
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This is what I propose to hopefully and finally put all of this to rest. We come to a mutual agreement on what the Texas Spirits did and did not do from 2026 to 2066.
 
If we come up with a list and if everyone involved agrees to the list, I will post it in the "Profiles" thread or "The Setting and Rules" thread so that, if there is ever a disagreement on this subject in the future, we can easily refer to it.
 
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Reply #1766 - Dec 16th, 2016, 8:53pm
 
Note: I prefer if we continue with the RPG and not with these discussions of details. We both stated our points and we do not agree. We will not agree with everything and that is a given. Which is why I say we agree to disagree.
 
My next post will set the RPG to 8 ours from what the RPG's point in time is at now. It includes the 6 hour time shift Fernando creates and a 2 hour drive as the tractor trailer is driven to the parking lot/camp site. To my calculations that would put the time between 1AM and 2AM. If your characters need to do something before this, I will delay my post until you get yours up.
 
Note that I never stated how big that parking log it, though I tried to find a RL example of it. Orchard Beach in the Bronx - NYC I figure is about the right size for it. It's about 1 mile wide by 1/2 mile long because the beach itself is about 1 mile wide. Other example I can think of a Six-Flag Amusement Park parking lot as they are also huge. The camp is in the center by the outer most edge, which is why it is a walk to the gate to get into the city. At least a 1/4 mile to the gate is about a 5 minute walk.
 
There are others camping out in the lot but they are further away from us. It is Jason and Wilma who decided to camp near us.
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Quote from Fernando on Dec 11th, 2016, 10:48pm:
Like you told us that the technology must not exceed 1800's unless they rebuilt something more modern with old tech, Medicine is in a similar situation.

This is what it says in "The Setting and Rules."
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26th, 2015, 8:59pm:
Pre WWI technology is well in use because it's relatively easy to make and maintain. This includes steam engines, waterwheel and windmill power generators, metallurgy stuff, even combustion engines, firearms and [medical technology].

Remember, this was written prior to Fernando and Jeanette saying to Moro modern medical supplies need to be made. As of the last time the Texas Spirits traveled back in time many modern medical supplies are being made.
 
As you pointed out, and I do like this idea, the reason hospitals (in towns like the one we are in now) do not have these modern medical supplies is because they don't trust those who are able to offer those supplies to them. In this sense the rule still applies.
 
What I don't like is tricking them to accept supplies from a source they don't trust.
 
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If this were about opinions, I would go with that. I presented facts to back up what I have been saying. Those facts are words you, Hondo and I wrote.
 
Do you want to discuss why the Texas Spirits are so interested in Jeanette, right or wrong? It's not about Gabrielle though the Texas Spirits are interested in her because she will be able to help other mutants.
 
Do you want me to respond to the posts you wrote on December 12 and 15?
 
Jeanette will talk to Ariel before dinner. During dinner or maybe after the characters will discuss where Ariel will be sleeping. What I write after that would depend on that discussion.
 
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Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26th, 2015, 8:59pm:
Pre WWI technology is well in use because it's relatively easy to make and maintain. This includes steam engines, waterwheel and windmill power generators, metallurgy stuff, even combustion engines, firearms and [medical technology].

Remember, this was written prior to Fernando and Jeanette saying to Moro modern medical supplies need to be made. As of the last time the Texas Spirits traveled back in time many modern medical supplies are being made.

As you pointed out, and I do like this idea, the reason hospitals (in towns like the one we are in now) do not have these modern medical supplies is because they don't trust those who are able to offer those supplies to them. In this sense the rule still applies.

What I don't like is tricking them to accept supplies from a source they don't trust.

Jeanette Isabelle

 
It is not exactly tricking them if the supplies are made in Japan, Israel or other places. The Spirits had a hand in transporting the supplies to Texas, but did they build them? In assuming that it was built by people and not by the spirits, and that the Spirits only transported them, then it is not tricking anyone. Even if the Spirits ran the businesses of the manufacture but human hands was in control of that manufacture then it is still not tricking them. There is a fine line here, and that line is if it is Spirit Made then the people do not want those supplies.
 
The Civil War Kit I proposed is something that will last them for many years as long as they keep the tools and container sterile and the blades sharp. Other than that is it much like a modern traveling surgeon's kit but with more tools for more options because it was made for treating soldiers in times of war with battle injuries. It would depends on what the surgeon's skills that would make this a good choice, a great choice or not. In the situation the hospitals like this one is in, such a kit would be a godsend for them to have.
 
Despite its age and its design being from the 1860's, it is almost a modern surgical kit. It is missing a few modern pieces like forcepts and Henostat clamps of various sizes, and a couple of tools to aid in birthing of a child, but they can be added on to complete the kit.
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