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After Chaos (Read 185759 times)
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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1480 - Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Sep 1st, 2016, 9:32am:
Quote from Fernando on Aug 31st, 2016, 11:05pm:
I used the 5'4" as a figure not as Jeanette's actual size. And I'm not taking her weight either because 10% taken off her adult weight put on a shorter body would make her fat on the obese level. Thus height does not equal weight distribution.

A reduction in size includes weight, correct?

 
Using the 5'4" (64") height, Janette should weight 145 max. Taking away 10% from both the height and weight will not work because you are dealing with length, area and volume. Shrinking Jeanette 10% would make her 4'9 (57") in height but by weight she would be 130 pounds. This would make her overweight, pushing to the Obese level. At under 5ft in height, a human female should be 90 - 120 pounds depending on her build and development This is because Height/Length/Area does not translate well into weight/Volume. This is why it is not easy to do.
 
Regardess on what powers these spirits have, even you stated that they have messed up in several areas. The last thing Jeanette needs for them to mess up on her on a so-called "simple calculation." Too much and she's a walking skeleton covered by skin. Too little, and she can sit down in the circus sideshow as this generation's "fat woman" 10% in height does not equal 10% in weight.
 
 
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Quote from Fernando on Aug 31st, 2016, 11:05pm:
You can use handwavium and say that it is so, no matter how off it would be.

As I had said, I am sticking to the rules that The Nobody established. Other than looking for loopholes, have I deviated from the rules?

 
Nobody is here, despite being "his" rules. So he is not here to state was was a deviation of the rules or not and we are working with them.
 
But there is a abuse of the rules with these "spirits." You are comparing them god's angels and helping spirits which they are not. Even you established that they are not from this planet but rather ETs from the planet - who cares, they could have came from the planet Mongo as far as I care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUKUHjBhb2Q
 
They are ever present and ever interfering - 1. 2 - as I stated, they are pushing Jeanette into  
"This or that" decision by limiting her to only those two options which will lock her into life of indentured servitude for the rest of immortality can give all because they want a certain journal written out and the events within put in a certain way. How about letting Jeanette live out her own god-damn life, leave her alone to learn, make mistakes, correct them and be damn free as she chooses?
 
If the spirits want to do a job, they can do guard duty, but we are getting enough people to do that on our own. Both Karl and Mavis can go guard duty in the evening and at night. All others can do guard duty during the day. The spirits go around and notifying their leader Moro of the activities of what the others are doing. Is that fair to us? Do we have our means on spying and reporting on Moro and the others? No we don't. So why are they doing it?
 
We are there to help others as we find them. Eventually we will reach Gabrielle and save her too, but is not a prime directive to do so. Getting to Charlton is. If we arrive too late and Gabrielle is gone, then the spirits are going to have to deal with the loss. But until we get there, we must survive this trip and make this world a better place one way or another. The spirits should in the very least observe and take note that there are thriving communities outside of Charlton and outside of Texas that are doing well without them. The Spirits should see that some groups have their own spirits while others do not. In the very least they should learn that these people are doing fine on their own without their help and for them to expand to Canada, they are going to have to deal with these people and share resources. With Hondo and Fernando, it has been knowledge, skills and weapons.
 
Suppose, and it will happen but as to when it is uncertain, the group's next town is 700 miles away because a bridge they were supposed to cross has not been repaired yet, so they have to go around to make it to the next town. Fernando's camper can do 120 miles a night if he recharges during the day. That would make a week of traveling with no towns and we need to rely on the food sources we have. That means hunting, fishing, taking in our reserves for that week, and getting water from somewhere. The filters I put into the campers and Dub Boxes should protect us from most things. But if we get into a bad water supply situation - our filters will save us from getting sick but they will be ruined and will need to be replaced when we get into town. And our plumbing needs to be flushed out as well. That's why we are topping off on our reserves now and at every stop so we do not end up into such a situation early on.
 
But with your spirits being there, they will tap their beaks against the filters and "wa-la!" they are fixed.  Where is the story in there?
 
Without conflict, there is no story.
 
 
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Quote from Fernando on Aug 31st, 2016, 11:05pm:
And that is the point. But I'll poke this one with a stick - if this age/body modification is supposed to happen to Jeanette in the future after they get there, why is it an issue now?

The Texas Spirits want to understand what it would take for Jeanette to accept immortality. Why put that off? This can be done after Jeanette returns to her time but it would not be in the story.

 
The "story" is not about Jeanette and gaining immortality. Its about the mission this group is supposed to do to rescue a certain mutant before she gets killed or worse and our adventures getting there. As is the spirits are committing crimes across the Time Line like Time Bandits because they think no one can touch them. As Fernando is beginning to see, this Time Line is artificial as per their creation, so they can do research and studies on. We are nothing more than protozoa on a microscope slide to them.
 
Have they offered immortality to any other? Hondo, Val, Fernando, et al? No they have not, and them knowing that certain individuals in the group are already immortal should be unknown to them. So why not? Because Jeanette has a journal? Hondo, Val and Fernando have their own journals to write in and they do not make changes to edit Time itself. They are recording their POV of the events around them, nothing more. But Jeanette's Journal is is some more sinister in that changes made to it changes the Time Line. Well, so doe the other journals, but since they are cording what has happened and not what will happen, there is no conflict. In knowing this, Fernando should take Jeanette's  journal and throw into the next camp fire they have. Doing this does not end the story as the story is of Gabrielle's rescue, not what is on some "stupid" journal. The Spirits want to alter time, then they will have issues with Fernando. They are going to end up in the Cretaceous Time Period Dirty Dancing with the Troodons and T-Rexes. It is that simple.
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Reply #1481 - Sep 2nd, 2016, 9:43pm
 
This is what it says regarding mutants: "Any shape shifter must look like a creature it originally was, +/- 10% of the original size." We are arguing over what The Nobody meant by "size" and he is not here to tell us what he meant.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
But there is a abuse of the rules with these "spirits."

What rules have I abused?
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
You are comparing them god's angels and helping spirits which they are not.

When have I compared any Spirits to God's angels?
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
Even you established that they are not from this planet but rather ETs from the planet - who cares, they could have came from the planet Mongo as far as I care.

Some of the Spirits are not from Earth. Some Spirits are from Earth. The Texas Spirits are not from Earth.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
The spirits go around and notifying their leader Moro of the activities of what the others are doing.

Moro is not the leader. She is acting as a representative. It was agreed that other Spirits would no longer report to Moro what party members are doing.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
Do we have our means on spying and reporting on Moro and the others?

How do you want Fernando to know what the Texas Spirits are up to?
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
We are there to help others as we find them. Eventually we will reach Gabrielle and save her too, but is not a prime directive to do so. Getting to Charlton is. If we arrive too late and Gabrielle is gone, then the spirits are going to have to deal with the loss.

Helping Gabrielle is one of the reasons Jeanette and Fernando are there.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
Without conflict, there is no story.

No conflict? We are arguing a lot and I have to defend the Texas Spirits of the false charges. What I don't understand is why are false charges being thrown at them when there is a real charge that has not been filed against them.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
The "story" is not about Jeanette and gaining immortality.

The time loop broke when Jeanette decided to return to her time when the mission is over. To fix the time loop Jeanette either needs to stay or accept immortality. Yes, your statement is true; the time loop does need to be fixed.
 
I've mentioned this before; it has been a while. The Nobody gave me the setting and rules but not the plot. I had to come up with my own plot about these time travelers, the journal, Gabrielle and getting to Charlton. The situation with Chihiro is a side story. You may not be impressed with the side story; I think it's fun, weaving in subtitle clues as to who Chihiro really is.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
As is the spirits are committing crimes across the Time Line like Time Bandits because they think no one can touch them.

The Texas Spirits know what Fernando is capable of.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
Have they offered immortality to any other?

Are you referring to just the party or in general?
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
But Jeanette's Journal is is some more sinister in that changes made to it changes the Time Line.

As I attempted to explain to Hondo, the Texas Spirits are gathering information. From the information they can know if something needs to be changed.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 2nd, 2016, 3:13pm:
In knowing this, Fernando should take Jeanette's  journal and throw into the next camp fire they have.

The Texas Spirits have the information Jeanette wrote in her journal and they can give her another one. What would be accomplished by throwing her journal in the fire?
 
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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1482 - Sep 2nd, 2016, 10:18pm
 
Fernando is still handling this  but I have to say this:
 
Phuck the Nobody.  This is My forum.  Fernando,  I give him free reign and total rights here as I trust him.  You and this story are only here at his request.  The Nobody has no power here.  Fernando or I say something it trumps whatever the nobody said.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #1483 - Sep 3rd, 2016, 7:04am
 
I have acknowledged from the beginning that the rules of this forum override the rules of the RPG. Though the rules of the RPG are subservient to the rules of the forum, they nevertheless do exist.
 
I reread the forum rules prior to writing this post and I found none that I'm in violation of.
 
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Reply #1484 - Sep 3rd, 2016, 10:22am
 
There is a difference between common sense,  and fair play,  both of which you lack,  and rules.  
 
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #1485 - Sep 3rd, 2016, 1:45pm
 
There is a lot of hoopla over the time loop and fixing it. Fixing a time loop was not meant to be apart of the story, it was a problem that showed up in the early part of it.
 
This morning I was thinking of a change and I think it's doable. Instead of fixing the time loop, do away with it. Thoughts on this?
 
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Reply #1486 - Sep 3rd, 2016, 5:33pm
 
Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Sep 3rd, 2016, 10:22am:
There is a difference between common sense,  and fair play,  both of which you lack,  and rules.

In your previous post it seemed to me you were talking about rules.
 
I don't see how the Texas Spirits offering Jeanette an incentive to accept immortality has anything to do with fair play. After all, the Texas Spirits are doing what the Order of Fire is capable of. Therefore I thought you might be referring to the Texas Spirits using time travel to change something. However, Fernando, his family and friends are more powerful in this regard because they have a better understanding of how it works.
 
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Reply #1487 - Sep 4th, 2016, 2:03pm
 
My figures were off, in that they were for a male and not female. A female who is 4'9" should weigh between 85 and 110 pounds, thus 10% reduction that puts her at 130 pounds would make her 20 - 45 pounds overweight, which is obese at the minimum 20 pounds overweight. In short, this would not work, not at all.
 
I can understand why you are using Nobody's rules as a guideline but it is just a guideline, not the law of the RPG. One can go over the guidelines and still be within the realm of the RPG. But like Hondo says, Nobody is here to supervise his rules.  
 
My points are the spirits - again. If you wanted an RPG that is so easy that your characters do not get hurt in because the spirits protect them, then it is not worth playing.  If you want an RPG that shirts of issues of sexuality and children, then its not going to happen. "The ravages of puberty", "Hikaru's marriage to Arik while maintaining a young teen's appearance", "Penny's wanting to experience more things of a sexual nature while at 9 years old", "Jeanette being reverted to 11 years old" - these things are unnecessary. They do little to nothing to advance the story. Worst - they bring unwanted attention from people who read this RPG. The Forum is private to access control and posting, but it is public to reading it.
 
In the least, shit - child labor laws, or did everyone went back where a 5 year old has to go to work to support their family? And Jeanette wants to be 11 forever? It is of no use in the story at this point. This is a story element that happens when the group reaches Charlton, not being some 1200 miles from it.
 
Furthermore, I will throw this at you: The difference between Good and Evil is that Good does not force one into a decision of either one or the other. It gives the choice and the consequences of those choices. Thus the spirits are evil because they are limiting Jeanette into one of two choices. Furthermore then things do not go their way, they will reboot the Time Line to make it in their favor. That is evil in action and incarnate. Fernando spotted this a long time ago. Even though you had created then, you have not within your own writing. Yet you continue to defend them because they are your creation. Fine.
 
Evil is as evil does. I pointed this out again and again but your use of the spirits you can't see it. They are not Godsend. They have their own agenda. They are manipulating certain characters (ie: Jeanette, et al) into doing their bidding. They are manipulating the Time if things do not conform to their agenda. Yet, Fernando is powerless to do anything about it? Do not kid yourself on that.
 
This is why I'm complaining as why these things do not belong in the RPG now if ever. They want to force Jeanette into a decision, then let them do so at the end of the RPG where that decision belongs. Them doing so now means that there is an ulterior motive to their actions and a need as to why it needs to be done now.
 
This RPG is to get the group and those they help along the way fro point A to point B. There will be fun, adventures, and tragedies. People are going to get hurt and people are going to die, even within the group. The Spirits have proves themselves worthless as a protection force except to 1 person. Why is that? This story is not about Jeanette. Not by a long shot. She can be killed off in the next post and the story still has to continue if the spirits want Gabrielle.
 
So the line must be drawn... You figure it out where it is lain.
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Reply #1488 - Sep 4th, 2016, 4:58pm
 
Pending on what we decide regarding doing away with the time loop, the discussion on how much Jeanette would weigh could be moot.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 4th, 2016, 2:03pm:
"Penny's wanting to experience more things of a sexual nature while at 9 years old"

Penny wanted to learn about the female body.
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 4th, 2016, 2:03pm:
Furthermore then things do not go their way, they will reboot the Time Line to make it in their favor.

Most of the changes have been made because you/Fernando have complained about something. If you/Fernando want the time line left alone, stop complaining.
 
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Yet, Fernando is powerless to do anything about it?

What part of "The Texas Spirits know what Fernando is capable of" and "Fernando, his family and friends are more powerful in this regard because they have a better understanding of how it works" do you not understand?
 
Quote from Fernando on Sep 4th, 2016, 2:03pm:
The Spirits have proves themselves worthless as a protection force except to 1 person.

Fernando and Hondo told the Texas Spirits that they do not want their protection. Fine, they will not protect them.
 
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Reply #1489 - Sep 4th, 2016, 8:51pm
 
Where is everyone standing regarding the idea of doing away with the time loop? If the time loop is done away with, it would not need to be fixed, Jeanette would not need immortality and the Texas Spirits would not be offering her an incentive to accept immortality.
 
The only way I know of to do away with the time loop is for the Texas Spirits to undo what they did do. That would have to be done at the end of the RPG because it would end the game because the apocalyptic world as the characters know it would be gone. If the apocalyptic world were gone then would people cease to exist? Correct me if I am wrong on that. For that reason the Texas Spirits would wait. As I mentioned early in this conversation it was after the last change in the time line that the Texas Spirits understood what happened.
 
Do you want me to tell you now what the Texas Spirits actually did or do you want to figure it out?
 
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