Hondo's Cabin - After Chaos

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1460 - Aug 30^th, 2016, 9:29am

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

In past emails we had about breaking Einstein's rules, we discussed that 20-something Jeanette teleported and meets with Immortal 20-something Jeanette that has lived since 2010 to 2066+ does not break Einstein's Laws of General Relativity. Because of this, until now, it is assumed that Jeanette would be 20-something. Not 11.

It was not discussed in our E-mail conversations. It was, however, established in the story.

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

No one has ever had an easy time of Puberty. It is a 10 year process of ups and downs and in the end many are not happy with the results. But we all dealt with it and as adults, it is our past.

No woman I know likes her body. Even the Supermodels I know and did online work for, does not like their bodies. But they have accepted what they got as theirs. If they do not accept what they have then they would spend thousands of dollars to surgically correct it and still not be happy with the results. But in accepting what they have, they can continue on with life on a much happier state of mind.

How many would jump at the chance to, physically speaking, be a child again?

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

3- as an 11 year old, Jeanette can not be a mother to Penny. It would be impossible because Penny will see her as an equal and not as a parent.

There's a simple solution. Delay the procedure.

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

Penny would see her as an equal and it would be difficult for her to punish Penny for doing wrong and then going out to do those things she punished Penny for. She would be a hypocrite if she does this, and Penny would lose what little respect she has for Jeanette.

Where did Jeanette doing the things she punished Penny for come from?

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

How can undoing the physical development make Jeanette no longer Jeanette? This would make Adult Jeanette into Child-Immortal Jeanette, and that is a major difference.

It's only a physical change.

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

Jeanette would have to remain as an adult until Penny has reached the chronological age of adulthood before Jeanette can revert back to 11. Only then is this possible.

You just presented the solution. Why are we talking about it?

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

Jesus is going to look at Jeanette and ask, "WTF is this? You are an abomination of the creation we made you out to be. Who did this to you? Why you allowed yourself to go through this? And who's side are you are on?"

All that the Texas Spirits will do is give Jeanette two mutations. One will make her physically eleven and the other will prevent her from growing and aging. Jesus would not be surprised. He knows what will happen before it happens. If you want to know what side Jeanette is on, look at the parable of the sheep and the goats.

Quote from Fernando on Aug 30^th, 2016, 12:00am:

and if you (dare) think that being an 11 year old mom is going to be cute, you will be disrespecting every teen mother that has undergone raising a child as a child themselves and doing so alone.

I never considered it for that reason.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1461 - Aug 30^th, 2016, 6:12pm

My two cents:

I wouldn't want to be a kid again

Jesus also said, "which of you by taking thought can add one cubit into his stature? " and Paul said, " when I was a child I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a man (or adult) I put away childish things. " so stopping aging would be one thing, reversing the natural state of being which we we're created to be is messed up.

The whole premise is messed up and I see in no way how it adds to the story at hand in any positive way.

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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1462 - Aug 30^th, 2016, 7:17pm

Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Aug 30^th, 2016, 6:12pm:

I see in no way how it adds to the story at hand in any positive way.

Jeanette will be returning to her time when the mission is over. The Texas Spirits need her to continue her journal years beyond the mission. For Jeanette to return to her time and be around for years to come, she needs to be an Immortal. Jeanette does not want immortality. To accept immortality, there needs to be an incentive.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1463 - Aug 30^th, 2016, 8:24pm

Quote from Jeanette on Aug 30^th, 2016, 7:17pm:

Quote from Hondo I. Sackett on Aug 30^th, 2016, 6:12pm:

I see in no way how it adds to the story at hand in any positive way.

Jeanette will be returning to her time when the mission is over. The Texas Spirits need her to continue her journal years beyond the mission. For Jeanette to return to her time and be around for years to come, she needs to be an Immortal. Jeanette does not want immortality. To accept immortality, there needs to be an incentive.

Jeanette Isabelle

I think what Hondo meant by that is nothing positive is going to come out of the story if this happens now or in the immediate future during the time we are going to Charlton.

In that I agree with him.

I also must state that this gives the Spirits too much power in order to give such a "gift." Very few can give immortality of the flesh and that is always tied to some binding clause or agreement that should not be there. Immortality for serving the Spirits in their town they created? Sounds like Indentured Servitude to me, which is illegal in the United States and is art of the Bill of Rights Amendments and the Constitution.

So you can be immortal as long as you serve them. I think you should read up The Devil and Daniel Webster.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1464 - Aug 30^th, 2016, 10:28pm

This has not been established; the plan was for the physical change to take place after the mission. It is as you said, and I already knew this, Jeanette cannot physically do her job if she is physically eleven.

As for too much power, all that the Texas Spirits are doing is giving Jeanette two mutations. As established by The Nobody in The Setting and Rules, the Order of Fire is able to do the same thing.

The Texas Spirits are the ones who want Jeanette to be an Immortal. Adding a binding clause would jeopardize that.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1465 - Aug 31^st, 2016, 11:34am

Personal note: I believe that this will be a detriment to Jeanette. If the spirits are hawking her for a decision now, they will be hawking her to the end of the mission for that decision. That is going to impede her judgement on other decisions she needs to make throughout the mission.

And that is a problem. Why would they be hawking her now for a decision? Why will they continue to hawk her for the decision? Is there a deadline to this? Why must it be tied a condition for her to get it? Like I said before, immortality for a service to be rendered (being a nurse...) is Indentured Servitude, which is illegal and akin to slavery. Is Jeanette a slave to the spirits? She needs to realize that she is being cornered into a decision.

Lastly, Immortality through a mutation maybe simple to implement; but only works when one get to that certain age where it kicks in. To reverse the growth and puberty process an adult as underwent is nearly impossible, especially at such a stage. A lot of the cells that divided up and multiplied, creating the structures an adult body has, in that division, the codons break off each chromosomes as part of the aging process - all that has to be undone. It would require a lot of energy and process to get it done from a 20-something adult to an 11 year old. If it were a 30-something to a 20-something, the process is much simpler and less requiring of energy to get done because the body is has not changed much in these 10+ years. But from 20-something, to 11, there is a lot more to undo. In short, this is not "a simple mutation."

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1466 - Aug 31^st, 2016, 12:21pm

Reversing to pre puberty just doesn't fit what a mutation is. Stopping or slowing cell degradation can be as it is not a reversing action. Reverse growth is not a mutation.

Had this written earlier when I had no net. Didn't see your reply, jefe until after this actually posted.

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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1467 - Aug 31^st, 2016, 1:38pm

Note: The United States is in an apocalyptic state for two reasons: One, there was an economic collapse. Two, a meteor ended up in the Atlantic creating a wall of water exceeding 300 feet when it hit the east coast and triggering the New Madrid Earthquake that splits the continental U.S.

If it were only an economic collapse, the United States could recover in forty years, would not be in an apocalyptic state and the RPG would be over. The Texas Spirits now have a plan to stop the meteor. If they succeed the RPG would be over. To keep the RPG going, the Texas Spirits need to fail in their attempt to stop the meteor.

RPG:

Jeanette knows the Texas Spirits use information from her journal to make changes to the time line and today she received a lot of information. Though she cannot truly appreciate the gravity of the situation, she has a sense that today's journal entry is more important than others she has written. As before, with the exception of the time her thoughts were not organized, she compresses as much information she can using the fewest words possible to save space in her 160 Page journal. Every word has to mean something, otherwise it is not used. As with the other entries, background information is needed to understand it. For this entry the reader would have to know that Tsubasa is Hikaru's twin sister and that "Lantean" refers to a science fiction franchise to describe the technology used.

May 5, 2066 Elsa got help from doctor and is in control of her power. Dressed for tonight's victory party. Slavers surrendered. Moro gave Hikaru a reproduction of the princess dress she wore in fourth grade play. Though the play of twin princesses she did with Tsubasa is a precious memory (written for them by a classmate before he died), the play almost didn't happen. Hikaru almost lost Tsubasa. During the play Hikaru was sobbing on stage. Audience applauded Hikaru's "convincing performance." Moro gave Hikaru a replacement outfit. I signed Penny's adoption papers during Tanya's birthday party. Penny and I will live in Dub Box the party bought for the 73 Beetle. Elsa and Princess Rapunzel of Corona (missing since infancy as of 1803) are cousins. Texas Spirits found Rapunzel. Bat arrives from Charlton and transforms: eighteen-year-old female, black hair, light skin, wearing black dress, black fingernail polish and dark makeup. She owns copy of journal. When Mavis was a baby, Spirit haters murdered her mom. Mavis and her dad move to Charlton. He owns/runs a luxury hotel. On her eighteenth birthday she and her dad sang in the hotel's nightclub with his old band mates, his first time since wife died. The nocturnal Spirit joins party. Texas Spirits designed ZPM powered, standard gauge, articulated train with Lantean safety/security features. Texas Spirits can undo puberty. "Immortal Jeanette" appears eleven.

A sentence from the May 1, 2066 entry of the published journal is changed to the following:

Chihiro's nameplate written in Japanese.

Because of Fernando's complaint, the Texas Spirits have undone the repairs they have made to the highways and power grids outside of Texas. The only maintaining they do outside of Texas is to their own railroad. The Texas Spirits now have the railroad they want, parts of which go as far back as the early 1800s.

This time the Texas Spirits were less involved in Texas politics and put more of their focus on the Texas economy. One could argue this resulted in a better outcome.

Though Fernando [the player-character] didn't say anything about this, the nation of Charlton has an official religion, Judaism, instead of a grey area between an official religion and freedom of religion.

Note: More to come.

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1468 - Aug 31^st, 2016, 3:12pm

Note: wow, you still have no clue how time travel and changing the past works. Cause and effect, think cause and effect.

RPG:

Valentine walked back to the camp with the girls. Both her and Tonya we're tired, tonya more so as the bio pill left her weak and tired still. Zoey and Marcey we're full of energy at first, still on a adrenaline high from celebration, but as they walked back it slowly wore off they were still excited as they walked into camp but you could see in their eyes it was past their bed times.

Zoey: momma, can Macey stay with us tonight?

Valentine: she's just stayin' across the lot.

Zoey: I know, but . .

Valentine: I know, but it's been a long day and may be a long one tomorrow. If Macey stays with us tonight you two will not get any sleep, and beside I haven't talked to her Dad about it.

Macey: I can go ask him, Aunt V.

Valentine: now tonight, sweetheart. You two will see each other tomorrow. I will talk with your dad tomorrow and we will see about another night when you two are more rested, OK?

Macey: yes, Aunt V.

Zoey: but Momma. . .

Valentine : Zoey, I need you to obey and not talk back. Would you question your dad?

Zoey ( in a small quiet voice) : no. . .sorry, momma.

Valentine: OK. We will talk more about this later but let's not ruin a good evening. Tonya, take Zoey to our camper. I'll drop off Macey at her camper and be right there.

Tonya: OK.

Hondo had been back for at least half an hour if not more before they returned. He showered quick like to get the smell of the evening off of him, more for Valentines sake than his own. When the girls. He also put the adoption papers in a safe place for the night. They would sign them in the morning and turn them in. He was laying in bed thinking when he heard the girls come in. He heard one go into the bathroom, the other knocked softly on his door.

Hondo: yeah?

Zoey: can I come in?

Hondo: sure.

Zoey came into the room and jumped onto the bed. She began to tell Hondo all about her and Maceys night. Most of the ssentances started with "Macey and I" and she went on a mile a minute. Hobdo caught about half of it. He uh-huhed, yeahed, and reallyed as she spoke. Though he was tired he enjoyed it. Never thought much about this before but it was one of those memories as a father he'd cherish forever. After a bit Tonya came out in her night shirt and got Zoey.

Tonya: Zoey, time to get ready for bed.

Zoey: aww, but I was talking to Dad.

Hondo: we can talk more tomorrow. Got get ready for bed and get some sleep. We have adoption papers to sign and file tomorrow.

Zoey: OK.

Zoey flopped on him to give him a hug. Hondo hugged her back.

Zoey: good night dad. Love you.

Hondo: gnight kitten. Love you too.

Zoey hopped of the bed and went to the bathroom to change and brush her teeth. Tonya walked up to Hondo and gave him a miss on the cheek.

Tonya: love you Daddy.

Hondo: love you too sweetheart. Sleep well.

As she left he heard Valentine come back. She got the girls bedded down and came into the room.

Hondo: everything alright?

Valentine : it's all fine. Took Macey back to her dad. Zoey wanted her to spend the night and questioned me when I said no. That bothers me.

Hondo: we need to have a talk with her then. Sooner or later we will have several talksnwith both of them, Zoey more than Tonya.

Valentine: I reckon. Just hurts more than I thought.

Hondo: it's worth it. Should have seen her a bit ago. She came bouncing here talking a mile a minute about her and Maceys night.

Valentine: it's nice she found a friend her age.

Hondo: yeah, it helps that it's Jefe's daughter too. We will see how it goes when they are older.

Valentine: what do you mean?

Hondo: country girl and city girl?

Valentine: oh. . .I didn't think of that.

Hondo: I want them to learn how to be at home at a fancy dinner as well as how to work in the country and be a lady both places but I don't know how to accomplish this.

Valentine: me either, but we will figure it out.

Valentine stripped down and put on a night shirt. She turned out the light and crawled into bed. Hondo pulled her close to him and kissed her gently.

Valentine: you showered. Sorry, I can if you want me too.

Hondo: no. You smell like you and I like that smell.

Valentine giggled: you always seem to know what to say.

Hondo: wish that was true. What info known is I love you so much. Never doubt it again

Valentine : I'll try not to. I love you too.

Hondo held her as they lay there together just enjoying being close. They fell asleep in each others arms.

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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out

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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1469 - Aug 31^st, 2016, 4:22pm

Things were going okay for the Texas Spirits, apocalyptic situation aside, until Fernando said something to Jeanette that made her change her mind and return to her time when the mission is over. This presents a problem for the Texas Spirits because they need her journal (the one which spans decades). To write the journal she either needs to stay or be an Immortal. Previous incentives to accept immortality have not worked. Though it is true that Jeanette can make her decision after she returns to her time, it would not be in the story.

Quote from Fernando on Aug 31^st, 2016, 11:34am:

Why must it be tied a condition for her to get it?

Assuming I understand your question the answer is, Jeanette does not want immortality. The Texas Spirits want Jeanette to be an Immortal; they would not tie her to a bed to make her an Immortal. The only thing the Texas Spirits can do is give Jeanette an incentive to accept immortality.

Quote from Fernando on Aug 31^st, 2016, 11:34am:

Like I said before, immortality for a service to be rendered (being a nurse...) is Indentured Servitude, which is illegal and akin to slavery.

One, the Texas Spirits are not offering immortality for services rendered. Two, no one would go through all this trouble to hire a nurse. Three, immortality simply makes it possible for Jeanette to write a journal for years to come. Four, the Texas Spirits don't need a nurse. They are giving her this job because they know she would love a job at the orphanage.

From "After Chaos: The Setting and Rules" under "Mutations Part 2, Mind and Body":

Quote from Jeanette on Jan 26^th, 2015, 8:59pm:

Shape shifting: Very limited, though. Any shape shifter must look like a creature it originally was, +/- 10% of the original size. Growing anything, like hair or nails, is very slow (they simply grow faster then usual), and requires more food. No "extra" organs. Changing the shape of the bones is an Expert ability, takes time and food, and hurts a lot.

Let's think about this. If Jeanette's original size can be reduced by 10%, what are the possibilities?

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