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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1410 - Jul 31st, 2016, 7:16pm
 
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Quote from Jeanette on Jul 31st, 2016, 1:38pm:
Note: What about these people's rights to run their nation as they see fit?

You have stated that Spirits are not people, they are spirits, and thus they can not rule themselves as they have to follow the rules of somebody higher up. And the humans of Charlton, what voice do they have wen the Spirits are running everything from the government on down to that pipes connects to the toilets.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jul 31st, 2016, 1:38pm:

I'm being mindful of Islam. Charlton allows Muslims because some Muslims do convert. It has happened even with the persecution that follows. There is no law that says the Quran is banned. However Moro did say, "No hate speeches and no distribution of hate material." If it's illegal to distribute hate material, can the Quran be distributed? I have not got to it yet; when the party gets to Charlton they will see armed female soldiers. Islamic terrorists are afraid of female soldiers because if a woman kills them, they go to hell. Having armed female soldiers is a deterrent.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/22/terrorists-flee-female-fighters- they-believe-theyl/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353330/ISIS-afraid-girls-Jihadists-beli eve-killed-women-won-t-heaven-claim-feared-Kurdish-fighters.html
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-ISIS-terrorists-think-that-they-will-go-to-hell-if- killed-by-a-women

Once again Moro said, "No hate speeches." Some English versions of the Bible have been mistranslated. In the Complete Jewish Bible Exodus 20:13 says: "Do not murder." Other parts of the Bible permit us to kill in the defense of others and ourselves.

 
When a congregation prayer begins with "Allah Akbar, smite all my enemies so I can reap what they had..." now you have a problem. that problem being, how can you prove that it is or is not a hate speech when they can say it is a prayer.
 
Furthermore, it talks about Mohammed molesting his youngest wife before taking her as a child bride and giving her the Salami... which is fine by their standards, but do Jeanette or the Spirits want Muslim males in Charlton eyeing young girls as young as 6 as potential child bribes they would want to test drive first?
 
I'm mindful of Islam, but I have also dealt with them from that fake hate group Nation of Islam group from Mosque #7 (Malcolm X's Mosque now in control by Louis Farrakhan to true Islamic Muslims from Yemen and the Middle East. Yes, There are some nice people within the group, but there are also those that pray for your demise.
 
Just because as a Christian, you practice the commandment of "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself" does not mean that your neighbor has to love you too.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Jul 31st, 2016, 1:38pm:

I don't understand. How can a person be so poor they are stuck in Charlton, cannot move and must remain?

 
Then you never been so poor to have been in that situation. Let me throw in your childhood living in an orphanage because of what happened to your family; being not able to control what is going to you but you have to do as you must in order for you and your sisters to survive. As a child, that is a nightmare scenario to live. Now image being an adult in that situation, only being able to provide to barely pay the bills and put food on the table. Barely. There are times where you have to decide between skipping paying a bill to put food on the table and paying the bill while not eating for a day or two. This is what poor people go through everyday. And like any other city in this world, there are poor people in Charlton. They may have a better life in Charlton but if they need to move out, they can't because they can not afford the resources to get that done.
 
 
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Regarding the politician, did he build and establish the neighborhood? No he did not. Who is he to say if one does not like it they should move out?

 
Before he ran for office, he was a grocery store owner, who expanded his business to several stores in the neighborhood before he decided to run for office. He thought he could run for office so that he can clean up the neighborhood. Then he got stupid. Started to make such comments like that. Then he met me.
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Reply #1411 - Jul 31st, 2016, 10:57pm
 
Note: I created the profile for the newest character:
 
Name: Mavis
Gender: Female
Age: Eighteen
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Black
General Appearance: In human form Mavis looks like an eighteen-year-old female with blue eyes, black hair, light skin and vampire teeth. She wears a black dress, black and red horizontal-striped stockings, red shoes, black nail polish and dark makeup. In her bat form she has black fur.
 

 
Mutation: Mavis is a Spirit who transforms into a bat. She and her family are able to transform faster than other Spirits and can fly significantly faster than real bats.
Motive: Living a sheltered life in Charlton, Mavis wants to see the world. She wishes she could have seen the world as it once was and the places she has heard of or seen in pictures.
History: When Mavis was a baby Spirit haters came to kill her family. Mavis' dad tried to protect his family as Martha [Mavis' mom] and Mavis were hiding. Martha died while protecting her baby. Mavis and her dad were the only two who survived. They move to Charlton where they would be safe and he fulfills his dream by building and running a luxury hotel. Mavis has a great relationship with her dad. Growing up she and her dad would play hide and seek in the clouds. On her eighteenth birthday her dad played with his old band mates for the first time since Martha died, father and daughter sang together on stage.
Talents/Experiences: Commercial driver's license, Mavis drives hotel guests in an antique limo.
Pastimes: Playing in the pool, skate park, skydiving by jumping off of her dad's high-rise hotel and transform into a bat in mid air and rock parties.
 
Spirits are people; they are not human. There is a difference. They can and have ruled themselves for thousands of years as established throughout the story. Only God and international law are above. Charlton is a constitutional monarchy. Charlton citizens elect judges since judges must be impartial. That's the simple answer to the question of what role humans play in Charlton. To go deeper requires a separate conversation.
 
In this situation I'd say we have a bigger problem and that is how does one define a hate speech?
 
Before we continue something needs to be clarified. If a religion is to be band, should it be Satanism or Islam?
 
The only scenario I can think of where a person would live in Charlton but does not want to is if that is the only place where he or she can get a job. I don't have the answer to everything since finding a solution to every problem in this RPG is not my objective. One thing I did work out is if a person works forty-two hours a week at minimal wage they can afford a place to live. The children in the orphanage have it better than the people you described.
 
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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1412 - Aug 1st, 2016, 8:18pm
 
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1 - Mavis information should be in the character thread, but that is minor. It can be in both: this one and there. But again, this is a minor point.
 
2 - Freedom of Religion means Freedom of Religion. It means that anyone is free to practice their religion unhindered. Even if such individuals commit violence in the name of their god(s), they are to answer to the crimes of committing such violence but they are not to be hindered in practicing their religion. Take note what had happened in Nazi Germany, and why.
 
3 - Somebody not able to move out of Charlton... well you had such a situation play out with Wilbur and 'Penny' and he was about to sell his girl to get his objective done.
 
4 - the one thing I did not touch was a Judge's impartiality under the situation of being voted into office. When one has to run to be elected into office, one has to be biased and partial to the audience they want to attract their votes from. If one is appointed into office, then one can stand on their record of impartiality, but not when they have to run for the votes to get the position.
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Reply #1413 - Aug 1st, 2016, 9:28pm
 
Note: I have a strong objection to Satanism. As I see it the choices are a limited form of freedom of religion or a state religion. I see a problem with a state-run religion; I rather have that than allow Satanism.
 
I don't understand why you are mentioning Wilbur and Penny to support your argument since the example you are using was staged. The alleged plan was to get gas to get to Denver and if he is unable to find work there, take the train to Charlton.
 
The Texas Spirits are the only ones who can appoint a judge in Charlton. I'd imagine that would make the judges more biased.
 
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"Mavis, you mentioned a live rock band played in your dad's hotel on your eighteenth birthday. What facility does your dad's hotel have?" Jeanette asks.
 
"The band who played is the one Dad sang with and it was in the hotel's night club."
 
"There's a night club too?"
 
"Well, yes. The club plays rock and techno."
 
"I can't wait to see Charlton." Jeanette continues.
 
"Moro, your people can transport us back to Charlton for a few hours, right?" Mavis asks.
 
"We can." Moro does not want to make this a habit; she can see how a preview of Charlton can be a boost. "Elsa is from 1803 Arendelle. She would not like the music played in the night club. Elsa needs to stay with me and Jeanette needs to stay with the both of us or Fernando will have my head."
 
"Spirit, I like the music on your disks." Elsa says.
 
"I'm glad you like them, Elsa. A night club does not play the music you like."
 
"We can go ice skating." Elsa suggests.
 
"Let me first take care of the Bill and then we'll search for Fernando."
 
 
After taking care of the bill, Moro and those with her step out of the restaurant. Speaking to a fellow Texas Spirit Moro asks, "Where's Fernando?"
 
"Fernando's last known location is the conference room where the treaty was signed." The crow caws.
 
"Where's that?" Moro asks.
 
The crow tells Moro where to go.
 
"Thank you." Moro and those with her make their way to the conference room. Moro knocks on the door. "Fernando?"
 
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Reply #1414 - Aug 2nd, 2016, 11:24am
 
Note: I was thinking. If Charlton is serious about where they stand then they need to cover the cost for any family or individual, of limited means, wishing to move away Charlton.
 
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Reply #1415 - Aug 2nd, 2016, 7:11pm
 
Quote from Jeanette on Aug 1st, 2016, 9:28pm:
Note: I have a strong objection to Satanism. As I see it the choices are a limited form of freedom of religion or a state religion. I see a problem with a state-run religion; I rather have that than allow Satanism.

 
I do not know why you would have an issue with it. As I stated, like any other religion, Satanism has rules the congregation has to follow. These worshipers want to be Satan's minions and warriors, but be one of the punished and banished to hell.
 
Just because they do not follow "god's" laws, they are following "a god's" laws. That is the difference. Satanism is like any other religion. They have their rules and standards of behavior. They will protect themselves accordingly when attacked. Most importantly, they are the balance to Christianity for you can not have good without evil. In Hinduism, there are 6 different major deities to pray too, including (from what I was told and read under Hinduism), Shiva, who is "The Destroyer of Worlds." She is evil because of Vinsu (sp?; her husband) killed her son by accident though he brought the son back to life. But there are worshipers of Shiva because she is "The Evil Destroyer of Worlds" and of the 6 sects, are the most violent. If there was a terrorist action taken by a Hindu, chances are mostly likely to be done by a Shiva worshiper though others are just as capable. Knowing that, regardless of who it is, you willing allow A Hindu into the mist?
 
Or my Roman Catholic Protectorate Sect - who are willing to go to Holy War at a drop of a word? The same with the Russian Orthodox Catholics - cross that line with them, and consider yourself dead. Seriously; part of religion is to have a congregation to pray to god. The other part is to have the man power to defend the congregation from an outside threat, and at times when needed - a preemptive strike against those they deem as a threat.
 
And the thing is, they all preach a peaceful existence with others. The problem is this, "Thou shall not kill" really is "Thou shall not kill anyone in one's culture community. Everyone else is fair game." And it includes the other commandments as well. It is that some religions will take this a step further than others, while some will make an attempt to peaceful co-exist with everyone else.
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Aug 1st, 2016, 9:28pm:
I don't understand why you are mentioning Wilbur and Penny to support your argument since the example you are using was staged. The alleged plan was to get gas to get to Denver and if he is unable to find work there, take the train to Charlton.

 
Though the situation with Wilbur and Penny was staged, the situation with others may not be. How else would these spirits make up such a story that would tug at Jeanette's heart-strings? The question that remains is, if Charlton and the rest of Texas under Spirit Rule is such a paradise, why are people leaving it?
 
 
Quote from Jeanette on Aug 1st, 2016, 9:28pm:
The Texas Spirits are the only ones who can appoint a judge in Charlton. I'd imagine that would make the judges more biased.

 
I would have to point out, where are these spirits getting people with a college and law school education and be able to pass the bar (as it still may exist) and the experience to work at a prosecutor and then judge. They can not be picking up a random shmoe off the streets, dress him up in a robe and wig and sit him in a bench for him to preside over cases from Farmer Joe's pig being stolen to a corrupt politician taking nookie at the local orphanage to keep it open.
 
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Fernando thinks out lout to himself, "As big as this room is, as many open doors it has for anyone to come in and out of, Moro has to find the one door that is lock?"
 
"Try opening the the door, Moro." He says loud enough to be heard.
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Reply #1416 - Aug 2nd, 2016, 9:07pm
 
Hondo is still watching,  rest of the group still having fun,  hondo getting edgy.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #1417 - Aug 2nd, 2016, 9:50pm
 
Note: The practice of Satanism opens the door to Satan, allowing him free reign. It's either limited freedom of religion or one religion, Judaism (if you want to know why I would choose Judaism over Christianity, we can discuss it). Do you see another option and which would you prefer?
 
Charlton and the rest of Texas? I hope with everything written you understand Charlton is not part of Texas. To answer your question I will assume you mean Charlton, not Texas. The following are the reasons I can think of as to why someone would not want to live in Charlton: the weather, they do not like mutants and/or Spirits, population density, they prefer a line of work that can only be found away from city life, Charlton laws, Charlton does not feel like "home."
 
People can get a law degree in one of the universities in Charlton. Because Charlton has been its own nation since it was established, it has it's own legal system.
 
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Moro comes in and begins by introducing Mavis to Fernando. "Fernando, this is Mavis. She flew here from Charlton this evening."
 
"Fernando, hi." Mavis introduces herself. "I know about you from reading Jeanette's journal."
 
"The only reason Mavis has a copy is because of her family's connections." Moro clarifies.
 
"I wish I could have seen New York." Mavis continues.
 
"Anyhow," Moro says, "what I want to ask you is if it is okay with you if we go to Charlton for a few hours. Some of us here are not into blue grass that's being played."
 
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Reply #1418 - Aug 2nd, 2016, 11:35pm
 
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Jeanette - you just crashed into your own 'freedom of religion' definition and the the banning of Satanism. I'll explain later, but first...
 
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"The greatest trick played on mankind was Satan proving that he is not on earth."

Guess what? Satan is on earth, he walks among us. He has interacted with us for as long as man has been around. In Paradise Lost, Lucifer told God, "It is better to rule in Hell than it is to serve in Heaven." Being able to rule in Hell, Lucifer has free-reign on Earth. Free Will allows him to be on Earth, whether God allows it or not because to go against his own rule of Free Will, God breaks it for us all. So, how can you invite somebody who is already there? You can't. But at best you can try to drive him out, that is if he does not persuade you to let him stay.
 
Now....  Mavis is a, hmmmm, errr... Nosferatu...? AKA vampire? Do you know how and why vampires are created? If you do, you see how you went against your own wall - head first at over 120MPH. Don't try to sugar coat it. Do not try to say it is something it is not. A vampire is... as per biblical description and Brahams Stroker's Dracula... well, without Satan, they would exist.
 
I do not care how nice you make her, I do not care how caring she is, she has a history of killing, a history of hunting humans, of seducing them to take their blood and life energies in order to live. Vampire are the top of the food chain because they hunt us.
 
Now, understand that I'm not saying anything negative about the character or that she should not exist. I am saying that her being there and living in Charlton, well, that goes against your 'No Satan Worship' in Charlton.
 
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"Come over to this window" Fernando tells her, "And tell me what you see. Just because part of the festival has Blue Grass Music, does not mean the rest of the town is playing the same music. The whole town is celebrating, with visitors from other towns and settlements."
 
He points to the right of the window out in the distance, "Looks like there are some Asians in the mix, as that looks like a Chinese Dragon out there doing a dragon dance..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do14dDh-TYM
 
He then turns to Moro, "I do not care where you go Moro. Preferably out towards Wolf 359 and then left for 13.5 Billion light years, but wanting and having are two very different things. But we are work together. If you leave, you need to return before 6AM as we will be leaving after we rest up from all this 'celebrating.'"
 
He then turns to Mavis, "Scio te quis sis, Nosferatu. Cogere ut faceretis et tu stares ex adverso. Sic ego rectam ducere , ubi tu non transibis harenarum." He reverts back to English, "That does not mean we can not work together."
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Reply #1419 - Aug 3rd, 2016, 11:57am
 
Note: I know Satan is here on the Earth. There is a difference between being on the earth and given free reign. It's giving him free reign that I wish to avoid. You put it "at best you can try to drive him out." I think it could be accurate to say that goes along the same line.
 
Anyone who has seen Hotel Transylvania can plainly see I borrowed Mavis from that movie. Since there are only mutants and Spirits, no vampires, I had to make her a Spirit for her to fit the story. As a Spirit she does not have a history of killing (we can discuss her family history later), hunting humans, taking blood or life energy.
 
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Moro goes to the window. "Mavis, you have to see this."
 
Mavis looks out the window. "Wow, how cool is that?"
 
"How often do you get to see the Chinese dragon dance? We can visit Charlton later."
 
"You're right. After the party I can fly back to Charlton, pack my suitcase and fly back here in about four hours."
 
"Pack your suitcase?" Moro is a bit concerned.
 
"Well, yeah. I would need my wide-brimmed hat, sunglasses and lots of sunscreen."
 
"Mavis this is a rescue mission, not a tour."
 
"I know. I have my chauffeur driver's license, I can make hot cakes and I know a few other recipes."
 
"I know. If you join the party, people will be counting on you. You'd be bored out of your skull and want to return to Charlton."
 
Quote from Fernando on Aug 2nd, 2016, 11:35pm:
He then turns to Mavis, "Scio te quis sis, Nosferatu. Cogere ut faceretis et tu stares ex adverso. Sic ego rectam ducere , ubi tu non transibis harenarum." He reverts back to English, "That does not mean we can not work together."

"Sorry, Fernando." Mavis replies. "I don't know what you just said."
 
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