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Re: After Chaos
Reply #1260 - Jun 8th, 2016, 12:05pm
 
"You need to do better than that, Moro. Because of your kind gathering mutants is akin to Hilter's "Lebenborn" Project. You do not have to say it for your actions speak for themselves. Like I said before, this world would have been better off if you never set foot on it. But since you did and you manipulated the history of mankind, and before you leave you need to fix that - all of it." Fernando tells her.
 
He continues with Jeanette, "Any society that has the ability to time travel, has advanced medical technology to cure anyone of any ailment they may suffer from - including sterility and mental illness. Thing is, they do not want to share in that, not even a simple gauze pad. Since you're sterile, they can make you fertile again, that is not a problem for them to 'repair.' They can even clone you and put your memories into that clone - they are that advanced over us, even by 2005 standards."
 
"The Andromedian Council had warned all the visiting races on earth to watch they are doing or else. Some have heeded the warning, others did not. At minimum they allowed observation of human and planet evolution, and not interference there off. Since you came in through cloaked ships, you did not heed that warning, you did not even care about it. In fact you tried to hide from it. In short you ignored it." He tells Moro before turning to Jeanette, "I'm neither good or evil, I just do what I think is right for the benefit of others, because if it were for the benefit of me, forget this world forever, the amount of power I would have would be vulgar. And the one thing I am not unless I have to be is vulgar. Now you need to think this through and like I tell you - do what you think is damn right, and not necessarily right for you. Just consider yourself lucky I'm not selling Moro's pelt on the open market. Now if you excuse me, the time to talk was over days ago and we got to do what ever it is we got to do, which includes me getting breakfast for that injured preteen 'daughter' in my camper."
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Reply #1261 - Jun 8th, 2016, 2:57pm
 
"We would not have even heard of this council if it were not for the fact you mentioned it." Moro makes sure Fernando heard as he walks off.
 
"Maybe this space council does not exist in this time line." Jeanette suggests to Moro.
 
"I can't say they exist or don't exist for I don't know either way. All I can say is that we never heard of this council and they never contacted us. Our ships may have cloaking technology but we built our own nation. We are very easy to find. If the council does exist and they want to contact us, all they have to do is use a map. Even a child can do that." Moro removes a tablet computer from her briefcase. "We were holding off on making more medical supplies until I get a chance to talk to Fernando. He left before he can see the list. If there's something not on the list that he wants, he should have stayed. Take a look at this and tell me what you think." Moro hands the tablet to Jeanette.
 
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Personal Protection
Gloves, Nitrile
Personal Antimicrobial Wipe

Bandage Material
Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, 1" x 3"
Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, Knuckle
Bandage, Conforming Gauze, 3"
CoFlex, 2” x 5 yd
CoFlex, 3” x 5 yd
Dressing, Gauze, Sterile, 4" x 4"
Dressing, Non-Adherent, Sterile, 3" x 4"
Eye Pad, Sterile

Bleeding
Trauma Pad, 5" x 9"
SWAT-T Tourniquet
QuikClot, 25 g
QuikClot, 50 g

Burn
Dressing, Burn, WaterJel, 4" x 4"
Burn Jel, 3.5 g

Dental
Dentemp, Filling Mixture with Pain Relief

Immobilization
Bandage, Elastic, 2"
Bandage, Elastic, 3"
Bandage, Elastic, 4"
Bandage, Elastic, 6"
Bandage, Triangular
SAM® Splint
Cold Pack

Medication
Acetaminophen (500 mg), Pkg./2
Antihistamine (Diphenhydramine 25 mg)
Aspirin (325 mg), Pkg./2
Cortisone Cream 1%, 1/32 oz (.9 g)
Diamode (Loperamide HCI 2 mg), Pkg./1
Diotame (Bismuth Subsalicylate), Pkg./2
Eye Wash, 4 oz.
Glutose Paste (Glucose 15 g)
Ibuprofen (200 mg), Pkg./2
Oral Rehydration Salts

Wound Care
Antiseptic Wipe
Povidone-Iodine Prep Pad
Povidone Iodine
Syringe, Irrigation, 60 cc, 18 Gauge Tip
Cloth Tape, 1" x 10 yd.
Cloth Tape, 2" x 10 yd.
Compound Tincture of Benzoin
Wound Closure Strips, 1/4" x 4", Pkg./10
Triple Antibiotic Ointment, 0.9 g

 
Jeanette accepts the tablet and makes comments. "This list is small. It only covers the most common problems."
 
"This is just medical kit refill. We will make other things like new straps for old backboards, cervical collars, and new supplies for old automated external defibrillators. As you already know we are making new oxygen systems, supplies for old pulse oximeters and pelvic slings."
 
Jeanette goes over the list. "The SWAT-T is a good tourniquet. I also like the SOFTT-W. I suggest including both tourniquets. You need more than one size burn dressing."
 
"This is a medical kit refill list."
 
"Even medical kits include a 4" x 16" dressing."
 
"Okay."
 
"Other suggestions would be nasopharyngeal and oral airways, cotton swabs and surgical scrub brushes." Jeanette looks at the list. "Why no EMT shears?"
 
"Lister bandage scissors are being made."
 
"I know. You gave me a pair. In the field, EMT shears are better."
 
"Lister bandage scissors can be sterilized and sharpened."
 
"Make sure it's done legally. If it is currently not in print, get Wilderness & Travel Medicine by Eric A. Weiss, M.D. back in print. Not only is it a good reference to have until the injured or sick person can be evacuated, it includes information on improvising."
 
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Reply #1262 - Jun 8th, 2016, 9:22pm
 
Hondo and karl went to join the others for breakfast while Fernando talked to Jeanette and Moro. Hondo sat down between Tonya and Zoey, but across from Valentine. Karl sat  as far away from Ruth as possible.  She tried to get him to come by them,  but ignored her as he saw Hondo watching out of the corner of his eye. As that sat down Hondo saw Fernando leave More and Jeanette and head towards his camper to get Macey.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #1263 - Jun 8th, 2016, 9:36pm
 
Jeanette thinks about what Fernando just said, what he has been saying and what he's not saying. "Is it possible for two time lines to exist at the same time?"
 
"I believe so." Moro answers. "Understand this, though we have possessed time travel technology for thousands of years, we first used it last Friday. We're still learning how everything works."
 
"Fernando seems so infatuated with the spooky time line he keeps talking about. The more he talks about it, the creepier it sounds. The time line we are in now is definitely a fixer-upper; with some work, I think we can get it back up to code." Jeanette then addresses Chihiro. "I understand your concern. You have friends here in 2066 and you have friends back in 1995."
 
"Seiji, who is from my time, is the boy I fell in love with." Chihiro finds herself lost between two times. "My fellow residents are more than just friends. We live together, we cook together and we eat together. Dad is understanding and runs a home of mutual respect; my life in the orphanage is nothing like I experienced before."
 
"You want the best of both worlds."
 
Chihiro nods her head. "Yes. I believe . . . I should go back to my time and come back to Charlton when I finish school . . . that is if Seiji wants to move to Charlton."
 
Jeanette is afraid to ask and she believes she already knows the answer. "What if Seiji does not want to go to Charlton?"
 
"Then I'll go where he wants to go."
 
"Fernando goes to the time line he keeps talking about, I'll stay in this fixer-upper and fix her up, you Chihiro go with Seiji wherever he goes and everyone's happy." Changing the tone of this happy moment, Jeanette looks at Moro sternly. "I haven't had a period in three years. If you do what Fernando suggests and bring that back, I will sell your pelt on the open market. Are we clear?"
 
"Yes, very clear. We will not make you fertile again."
 
"Good. Let's get some breakfast."
 
Moro walks with Jeanette. "We know what you want more than just about anything else. You want what Hikaru has and that is to be a child forever. We know why you love voice acting with your sisters. When you lend your voices to these animated characters, it's like you and your sisters are children again. Sorry, we can't give you want you want."
 
Jeanette stops Moro right there. "You've been bending over backwards to get me to accept immortality. Sorry Moro, you're too late. If you wanted me to be an Immortal, you should have done that when I was Penny's age. You knew back then how I felt and you did nothing." Jeanette continues walking. "I'm not accepting immortality so stop offering it to me. I want to hurry up and die."
 
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Reply #1264 - Jun 8th, 2016, 9:42pm
 
The distance from Hondo's trailer to his camper truck was less than 10ft. Moro could have stepped over to Fernando as he got breakfast for Macey and himself if she has any questions. So he herd every word said between Moro and Jeanette and seen the tablet exchange hands.
 
He gets the custom breakfast for Macey and him, tuna fish omelet is an acquired taste. Being high in protein, it helps an injured body to heal just a bit faster.
 
As he passes Jeanette and Moro, he tells them, "If you want to see me, I'll be with Macey in my camper feeding her breakfast. I think the girls are ready to give out breakfast to everyone else unless you need to make something yourselves."
 
It only takes Fernando a couple of seconds to walk about his camper trailer to the electric camper next to Hondo's truck. He gets in and though she was already awake but pretending to be asleep, he shoves her shoulder to wake her up.
 
"What is it?!" Macey says as she gets deeper under the covers.
 
"Breakfast time. You need to eat this." Fernando tells her.
 
"But I'm not hungry." She tells him.
 
"If you want your ankle to be better, you need to eat." He tells her.
 
Macey was really hungry but was testing him as to how much she could get away with, finding out that this is going to be a losing game for her. Fernando prepares the table by the bench and assembles the food on the table on what tableware they had.
 
The smell of the tunafish omelet did not get to her as he thought it would, as it does with many with a more refined pallet. Considering that she may have been begging for scraps and eating from restaurant garbage cans, this was a chef's meal to her. Besides the tunafish omelet, there was toasted bread, orange juice, and jelly. Fernando hopes that there are some merchants selling jelly, as this will otherwise be a hard to find commodity. He has coffee instead of juice. For now they have at least 20 minutes to themselves in peace to eat and enjoy each other's company.
 


Note: At this time, though they are not finished with breakfast, this would be the best time for Moro to come in.
 


Edit: Had to remove Karl being told to go see Hondo about breakfast as that part is already being done in Hondo's post.
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Reply #1265 - Jun 9th, 2016, 3:46pm
 
Moro approaches Fernando with the tablet. She has already added two of the suggestions Jeanette made. "I wanted to see you for the past several days; you did not want to talk to me. Since then several new things came up. We were holding off on making more medical supplies until I got a chance to talk to you." Moro hands Fernando the tablet computer.
 
Quote:
Personal Protection
Gloves, Nitrile
Personal Antimicrobial Wipe

Bandage Material
Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, 1" x 3"
Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, Knuckle
Bandage, Conforming Gauze, 3"
CoFlex, 2” x 5 yd
CoFlex, 3” x 5 yd
Dressing, Gauze, Sterile, 4" x 4"
Dressing, Non-Adherent, Sterile, 3" x 4"
Eye Pad, Sterile

Bleeding
Trauma Pad, 5" x 9"
SWAT-T Tourniquet
SOFTT-W Tourniquet
QuikClot, 25 g
QuikClot, 50 g

Burn
Dressing, Burn, WaterJel, 4" x 4"
Dressing, Burn, WaterJel, 4" x 16"
Burn Jel, 3.5 g

Dental
Dentemp, Filling Mixture with Pain Relief

Immobilization
Bandage, Elastic, 2"
Bandage, Elastic, 3"
Bandage, Elastic, 4"
Bandage, Elastic, 6"
Bandage, Triangular
SAM® Splint
Cold Pack

Medication
Acetaminophen (500 mg), Pkg./2
Antihistamine (Diphenhydramine 25 mg)
Aspirin (325 mg), Pkg./2
Cortisone Cream 1%, 1/32 oz (.9 g)
Diamode (Loperamide HCI 2 mg), Pkg./1
Diotame (Bismuth Subsalicylate), Pkg./2
Eye Wash, 4 oz.
Glutose Paste (Glucose 15 g)
Ibuprofen (200 mg), Pkg./2
Oral Rehydration Salts

Wound Care
Antiseptic Wipe
Povidone-Iodine Prep Pad
Povidone Iodine
Syringe, Irrigation, 60 cc, 18 Gauge Tip
Cloth Tape, 1" x 10 yd.
Cloth Tape, 2" x 10 yd.
Compound Tincture of Benzoin
Wound Closure Strips, 1/4" x 4", Pkg./10
Triple Antibiotic Ointment, 0.9 g

 
"This is just medical kit refill. Some of what you see here is already being made. We wanted to include everything in this list. I've already added two of the suggestions Jeanette made. Jeanette also suggested nasopharyngeal and oral airways, cotton swabs, surgical scrub brushes and Wilderness & Travel Medicine by Eric A. Weiss, M.D. We will make other things such cervical collars, new straps for old backboards and supplies for old automated external defibrillators. We're already making Lister bandage scissors, pelvic slings, replacement parts for CPR masks, new oxygen systems and supplies for old pulse oximeters."
 
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Reply #1266 - Jun 9th, 2016, 8:10pm
 
"First off remove the Acetaminophen not because I'm allergic to it but because it can cause liver damage for one and it is difficult to make - two. You need 3000mg of Acetaminophen within a 24 hour period to cause liver damage to an adult, and the packet gives 1000, thus if the patient gets 2000mg more during his treatment during the day, he's going to get worst on you. For a child, this dose will cause liver damage to them as it is too great for them. I would not ever prescribe Acetaminophen to anyone even if they are allergic to aspirin." Fernando tells Moro.
 
[ url: http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/features/acetaminophen-safety-faq ]
 
He adds, "This is very lacking, even for a simple first aid kit. You need to look at the Boy Scout first aid manual (pages 21 & 22) for a working kit. Then you need to augment that with instructor's manual for wilderness and remote emergencies as what good is this information if it is not taught to others. Further more, you have resources here and there in and outside of Texas. You're always chiming about how great this Charlton place is, I see nothing from the words you say, If it were such a perfect paradise, why are we here? Don't answer that, but instead listen - You have people here working in textiles that will make these bandages. They may not be adhesive bandages, but they are better than nothing. Make a deal with them and in the other towns we come across about making these rolls of bandages. If they can make adhesive bandages, the better for you, but I doubt it because to make the glue requires rubber from rubber trees and that is in Mexico, from which I'm hearing from you it no longer exists. At least they have the cotton to make the bandage it self. Problem however - the cotton plant is very detrimental to a field and the soil needs to be reclaimed. That takes time and crop rotation. During that time a farmer can grow peanuts and sweet potatoe while adding compost to the soil to replenish it. So keep that in mind. Once the cotton is harvested, part of the harvest can be used to make your bandages and gauge pads. This is where diplomacy is required, and deals to be made. As for materials for elastic bands like ace bandages, that requires some work. You need to recycle old tires for their rubber, like it was done in World War I and II. Once you get the tire rubber in liquid form, you extract the carbon from it to reclaim the rubber. It is just a bit of simple chemistry, and as I remember, there are garbage piles from the 1950s to 2000 with tons of tires in them. You can recycle those for nothing. And you can recycle the steel from the steel belts in the tires for the knives and scissors these kits will need using a solar furnace. But the rubber from tires can not be used for an adhesive, you need raw latex from rubber trees for that. The raw recyclable material is there for you to take. You just need a crew that is willing to get dirty to get it. And you can use alcohol and bleach to make a sterilization solution - any baker that also does beer brewing can make you the alcohol. Add some iodine from the mines, and it becomes more disinfecting in its power. You need to go to the past to get QuikClot because that is lab made, not naturally made, and use it with caution. It can and does save lives but it can also introduce blood clots into the blood stream and that person could end up with a stroke. And never use any jel substance on a burn victim. Reason being, if you need to treat an infection on the burn area, you need to scrape the jel off to the bare skin - which breaks rule #1 - Do No Harm. They will need a fine pitched bandage fabric and it is to be placed loosely on the burn area, not wrapped tightly around it. It needs to be changed every 2 to 3 hours with fresh bandages for several days until the skin begins to heal. After that it needs to be changed every 12 hours and then every 24 hours until it is healed. You do not have penicillin or any of its derivatives which can be made from moldy bread, and Allicin, a penicillin derivative comes from garlic. Though they were over used in the past 20th century and early part of the 21 century, microbes would have De-evolved to be treatable with them again by now. Everything else from the top of my head and not studying the list thoroughly looks fine. Now you got a lot of work to do."
 
He hands her back the tablet, "I would like to see it again later in the day, but Hondo and I will be busy tonight. Before I forget, a book can be freely reprinted after 50 years on the death of it's owner, and is no one else claims the copyright. Looking at what happened in these many years, it should be safe to reprint Jeanette's book. These two books I mention were public domain by their authors - The Boy Scouts of America and The Red Cross - so it should be no problem in printing those. Just give credit to the authors and organizations who originally printed them."
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Reply #1267 - Jun 9th, 2016, 9:31pm
 
Hondo and Valentine finished up rather quickly. Val,  and to some extant Hondo, was excited about talking to the girls. Hondo was mostly tired. He didn't  have a lot planned for the day, though the evening would be busy again. He wanted to sleep more but wanted to know more of what was planned for the day by others. He decided to go inside and sit in the recliner and rest for a bit. Valentine said she'd get him when the girls were done eating. he sat back into the recliner, opening a window on the canopy side. He closed his eyes and listened to the chatter of the group as they talked over breakfast.
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Well the cowboy, like the red man, you had to leave your land
You can't raise your stock and plant your crop in the gumbo and the sand
Greed disguised as progress has put us to the test
They won't be glad until we're gone from our home out in the west
It's sad to see those good old days replaced with greed and doubt
Soon we'll leave the country, the campfire has gone out
Bid 'em all adieu, you can't turn the world about
The cowboy left the country, the campfire has gone out
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Reply #1268 - Jun 9th, 2016, 10:29pm
 
Notes: The list provided by the Boy Scouts is close to the list I provided with notable exceptions:
My list does not have moleskin, soap or hand sanitizer.
My list has antiseptic wipes and Povidone iodine prep pads instead of alcohol swabs.
It has been established CPR masks are sterilized and parts replaced. Moro covered that again by saying replacement parts for CPR masks are being made.
Things like safety pins are made for other purposes so I saw no need to include it in my list.
Good quality tweezers, which Jeanette has two of, lasts forever. The list provided is a refill list. I'll get more into why tweezers were not listed later in this post.
 
The list I made is partially the result of taking notes while reading Wilderness & Travel Medicine, a book I have read many times previously, while I was on vacation. Reading Wilderness and Remote First Aid Instructor's Manual and taking notes on it would mean it would be several days before I can make my next post, partially because I have stuff in real life which take priority. Can you give me some key points?
 
This list is the result of the player character Fernando complaining that the Texas Spirits have space ships with cloaking technology but is not making enough medical supplies. First, we are dealing with a race architects and engineers, not medical research scientists. This puts modern day Israel more technologically advanced than the Texas Spirits in this field. Nevertheless, the Texas Spirits have accomplished some things such as inventing a "smart" scale, learn how to duplicate the immortality process (which actually hampers medical research) and, as we recently learned, successfully genetically engineered one child. Second, despite the fact that this race of engineers believe the solution to the problem is fix power grids, rebuild roads and extend rail roads, I need to maintain some resemblance to an apocalyptic world. I resolved this dilemma by listing things that need to be refilled in Jeanette's medical kits. That and making parts to fix old medical equipment such as a pulse oximeter and AED. Since this a list for refilling existing medical kits and not a list to make a new kit, I did not include things like tweezers.
 
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Reply #1269 - Jun 10th, 2016, 12:24am
 
Note: The spirits can not use the fact that they are architects and engineers as an excuse because, using the US Space program when the shuttle flew and the current US Military standards - any mission involving 6 or more people, one on those individuals has to be a medical doctor or have a medical background in deal with emergency medicines. NASA takes it a step further by make sure in any space mission, those involved are trained in emergency medicine - not just first aid. They learned from their mistakes from astronauts getting sick in space in the past.
 
A group of Spirits of 10 to 100 or more individuals on a mission, you can not say that there is not one doctor or medical professional in their group. What if one of them got hurt, who is going to take care of them? What if Jeanette or any of the girls or all of the girls in her camper got hurt, who are going to take care of them?
 
If there is no medical professional in the spirit group, not only are they inept, they are stupid and whaofully unprepared for anything in general.
 


 
Note 2: The raw materials in terms of recyclable materials is daunting to say the least. It does not take that much in engineering to get the materials in question and make what is needed. Like I stated in my last post - rubber and steel from tires.you just got to melt the rubber to remove the steel inside and remelt the steel to form it into anything one needs. The carcasses of automotive vehicles out there gives one steel, aluminum, copper, plastic, glass and rubber. A safety pin is made from a spring steel wire. Tweezers get easily lost but again, they are made from stamped out spring steel welded together.
 
Hand sanitizer is made from Ethanol (drinkable alcohol) and Glycerine (vegetable oil/fat), both can be gotten from a farm or a baker. Anti-bacterial items like wound dressings can be made by soaking in Hydrogen peroxide and let to dry, with the peroxide infused in the material, germs getting on it are killed instantly.
 
There isn't anything out there that can not be brought back if one picks up and reads a 3rd grade science book and its owner's manual. The biggest being CB Radio and radio science in general - get some junk equipment and learn a bit of electronics, it is amazingly simple to make or repair one. Radio Science is not that hard. From that, fixing a water or wind turbine is not that hard either. Rewiring broken solar panels is not that hard either. Gun Smithering and automotive mechanics are even more simplier. All this is doable. It just depends on who is willing to take the time to learn and fix this stuff. The other side of the coin - they can all act like bullies when the sun is out and cowards when the moon is down, and they can go out and hunt down pre-teen virgins to rape and sacrifice to their tiki gods.
 


 
Note 3:
This is an apocalyptic world, but this is a world on recovery. If this were 5 or 10 years after 'The Happening' where the shit is still hitting the fan and mankind has lost all hope, I can see how bad things can be. But this is some 30 - 40 years after the fact and the world is recovering. As I see it, the Spirits are in a race to get Texas up and going before the others and they are way behind in many areas despite having fixed up much of the infra structure, they do not have the social structure to continue the recovery. Many places outside of Texas have the social structure - the good and the bad and they are behind on the infrastructure but they are getting it up faster than the spirits did originally because they have the man power to do it.
 
Give a man a job and he will work to get paid. Tell a man that a job will be done and he will complain. In Texas - the spirits are saying that the job will be done (and it may very well is being done), but everyone's complaining because it is just words being said about Texas. Outside of Texas, people are trying their damndest to get things going one way or another and they are going forward no matter how big or small the foot step being taken. And nobody's complaining because everyone got something to do.
 
Sure, there is the criminal element to deal with. There are those willing to take shortcuts in order to get the rewards, but in the least they are doing something. And their work does push society forward into action in doing something but people need to be reminded that there is good and there is evil and good will always triumph over evil.
 


 
Note 4:
As much a I got on CDRR and their garbage tech, at least with the right people in the right places, things got one. This world after 'the end of the world' is very much like CDRR. The right people has to be at the right place and do the things the group (society) needs. Without it, they would be a bunch of naked micro furs digging up and eating acorns they buried the year before.  
 
Yes, the Cafe was and still is a perversed universe where everyone tried to do the other in what they can in the RPGs. But if they stayed within the context of the CDRR Universe, we would have this RPG going. That means simply put - a society trying to manage on its own with what little they got and be successful in doing so with practically nothing. Gadget being the main inventor/engineer did most of the work to get things for the group by taking garbage and turning it into tech - literally. The people of this earth are doing the same thing.
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