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Message started by Jeanette on Oct 19^th, 2018, 12:27pm

Title: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Oct 19^th, 2018, 12:27pm

I have a thought I want to bring to the discussion table. If it were possible to open a time capsule from the future, twenty years or more, would you want to know what is in it?

Related question: If you could send a time capsule fifty to a hundred years in the past, what would you put in it?

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Oct 22^nd, 2018, 6:04pm

Time Capsules are made by those who want those in the future to remember them and their history. Thus they tend to stuff them with technology they use, their recent history and current events (Newspapers/magazines are often found in them), and names of officials and community/political leaders of the area and time.

Now, why wold one from the future send a Time Capsule from their time into the past? Answer that question and you answer your own questions.

But lets take a case, which some say is real, and others deny it ever happened. In the late 70s NASA and other world Astronomical and Space Agencies picked up a signal from the "far end of the Andromeda Galaxy." lets pretend it did happen and follow that they say happened.

This message was encoded in a mathematical formula that creates a "universal pictorial language of icons," similar what we sent into space with the Aricebo Radio/Space Telescope in Puerto Rico in 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message

But it took over 20 years to decipher the message. Once they did, they found the message to be a call for help and a warning. A civilization, similar to today's First World Nations of Earth, was dying. Dying from Pollution, War, Famine. They just started interstellar travel but their planetary resources were depleting rapidly. It warns about the use of certain technologies which can be used as weapons (ie: Nuclear), and reliance of fossil fuels. It also warns of over population. It ends with "Help us if you can."

Mind you... The Andromeda Galaxy is 250Million Light Years away. That message took that long to get here, so it was sent when the Earth was in the early stages of the Jurassic Era. For us to get it, it had to be sheer luck or it was planned. If it was planned, they would have to had calculated a lot of factors and think that we would have evolved to a point of getting and deciphering the message, and thinking that we would either be at a stage where we could help them or take and heed their warnings.

What you think?

If you take the TV Show StarGate, there was an episode of some members of the group getting caught in the past and they make a message for their future selves. Of course, this episode was a giant temporal headache from start to finish. But they made it in such a way that they (from the recent future) was sent into and forced to stay in the past, and created a message for their future selves stored in an ancient vessel discovered in their "present" time.

This is another such possible case. What do you think?

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Oct 23^rd, 2018, 8:42am

Fernando wrote:

After I posted the same question in another forum, I questioned my motive for wanting to send a time capsule to the past. There are three reasons: First, I want to shut the mouths of those who made claims that the world would end or Christians will be raptured on a specific date. Second, I want sci-fi depictions of the future to be more accurate. Back to the Future II was way off the mark. Third, a person could write a story of the future with Arik's journal, a letter, printed copies of E-mail conversations and a couple of drawings by Bill Holbrook as reference material.

As for who I want to get the time capsule, a theoretical physicist or who understands the danger of certain things being released to the general public. Even the items that cannot be released to the public can at least be examined by archaeologists and anthropologists with a fine tooth comb to get a more detailed picture of the future.

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Oct 25^th, 2018, 10:02pm

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/0#1 date=1540245887]Time Capsules are made by those who want those in the future to remember them and their history. Thus they tend to stuff them with technology they use, their recent history and current events (Newspapers/magazines are often found in them), and names of officials and community/political leaders of the area and time.

Now, why wold one from the future send a Time Capsule from their time into the past? Answer that question and you answer your own questions.

A scientist invents a Time Machine, and allows no one to use it for several days. (this establishes its existence in the recent past). He then decides to test it, and sends a lab rat back into the past by 24 hours - aka a day. What happens next?
The Future will have no lab rat.
The Present will have 1 lab rat.
The Past will have an infinite number of lab rats.

Why is this so? the Lab Rat will be stuck in a Causality Loop that repeats its self and has no way of ending it. But only one rat (the same rat) gets sent to the future, what happens to the others? The original rat maintains the others, once it enters the present, the others have no reason to exist and thus cease to exist. Since the same Lab Rat is sent back in time, it is now immortal within the loop, and can not exist in the future. If the loop is broken, the rat suddenly ages that many times it went through the loop, and if it went through enough loops longer than its life cycle, it will die. This is how you van have 1 rat in the present, no rats in the future and an infinite number of rats in the past.

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It is written in the scriptures that No Man Will Ever Know When The End Comes. So that is not ever going to happen, even with time manipulations.

Who cares about movies and other forms of entertainment that discuss fictional events of the future? There are dozen of conspiracy theories on Youtube that says movies like Back to the Future II predicted 911 and other events. But at the same time there are dozens of YouTube videos of movies that discuss the future and compares to hoe right or wrong they were. Watch this video very carefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0TpRGXKdog

To think that somebody exists that you can trust with knowledge from the future, would be putting the entire human race in jeopardy. The temptation of using that information to profit from it would be too great. It is best to leave it alone. Even I with the knowledge of the Construct of Time that I have, can not be trusted with that information.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Oct 26^th, 2018, 4:14pm

Fernando wrote:

You're seeing a Temporal Psychosis headache the size of the mountain that makes up the state Montana.

You can ask and even hope but until we develop such technology, and if so Time allows it, sending things into the past will not be possible. My Time Travel Paradox Joke/Puzzle explains it best, you just have to wrap your mind around it to understand it...

Quote:

After I made my post, I considered a lot of things: If Arik read his journal in the early 1980s, would he still write it in the 1990s and 2000? If Bill Holbrook read the E-mail from the 2000s, would he write the Danielle storyline? Would you write to me if you read your E-mail in the Early 80s?

Assuming the information does end up in good hands and those who have received the items decide it is safe to publish them after a specific date, they would have to wait until after January 28, 1986, because the journal has enough information on the Space Shuttle Challenger that NASA would scrub the January 28, 1986 launch.

Fernando wrote:

It is written in the scriptures that No Man Will Ever Know When The End Comes. So that is not ever going to happen, even with time manipulations.

Who cares about movies and other forms of entertainment that discuss fictional events of the future? There are dozen of conspiracy theories on Youtube that says movies like Back to the Future II predicted 911 and other events. But at the same time there are dozens of YouTube videos of movies that discuss the future and compares to hoe right or wrong they were. Watch this video very carefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0TpRGXKdog

To think that somebody exists that you can trust with knowledge from the future, would be putting the entire human race in jeopardy. The temptation of using that information to profit from it would be too great. It is best to leave it alone. Even I with the knowledge of the Construct of Time that I have, can not be trusted with that information.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Oct 26^th, 2018, 9:22pm

Jeanette wrote:

After I made my post, I considered a lot of things: If Arik read his journal in the early 1980s, would he still write it in the 1990s and 2000?

No.

Jeanette wrote:

If Bill Holbrook read the E-mail from the 2000s, would he write the Danielle storyline?

Would he even care?

Jeanette wrote:

Would you write to me if you read your E-mail in the Early 80s?

It would depend on the subject of the email.

But in all three cases, all involved would look into what would happen and try to change it just enough but a change would incur and that could bring on a worse consequence. In my mind:

Arik would make changes to what happened from what he read then to bring a better outcome, which would fail.

Bill Holbrook, remember, at about this time he was exploring ways to make money with his "Kevin & Kell," even though he was making money on his "On the Fast Track" and "Safe Havens." And despite his bitching for money, he was already making over $50K for those two comic strips alone. Add ads on the websites, conventions and fairs, selling art, and so on with all three comics and who knows what else he has, he was making $75K to $100K back then. So, having 1 fan having distress because of a story line? He, like others before him in the Comic Book Industry will force themselves to forget about it and continue on with the story.

Me writing emails to you back then? It depends on the situation back then like it did on those days. I backed you up with the Sock puppet crew tried to make you and Arik look bad, and you did the same for me. It was in those days that we solidify a friendship then that despite the verbal fights and argument we had over the years would not end it. That said a lot - we can disagree to the point of fang and claws but in the end we respect each other. And that is what a true friendship is.

Jeanette wrote:

Assuming the information does end up in good hands and those who have received the items decide it is safe to publish them after a specific date, they would have to wait until after January 28, 1986, because the journal has enough information on the Space Shuttle Challenger that NASA would scrub the January 28, 1986 launch.

Not necessarily true. As the "founder" of Computer/Technology Education in NYC in 1984, I was allowed to teach without a license because I did not have a degree but I have advanced skills to teach from. I was also allowed to join the Teachers in Space Program. From there things were Blaise', nothing was allowed to challenge the status quo. I ended up being Teacher #293, I've would have put me in the missions after the Columbia Accident if there would have been no accident.

But again, do not challenge the status quo. I wanted certain computer experiments with my students that are happening now in the ISS with the UK, EU and ESA with the Astro Pi (a Raspberry Pi inside a Space Case: https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/astro-pi-flight-case ). But I was going to use an Atari 800 Computer with their "Science Lab" which has a cartridge of software and various sensors. They considered it too large for a simple shuttle mission. I offered to shrink the package, they still refused it. So I went with something else and Challenger happened. All Teachers in Space program participants were told that the program is over because space missions are deemed too dangerous for civilians.

NASA has had several warning for Challenger and several close calls with Discover and Columbia before. They did not heed those warnings. Any warnings from the future, they would not heed. As Pointus Pilot once stated, they would say, "I wash my hands at this."

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/0#3 date=1540519359]It is written in the scriptures that No Man Will Ever Know When The End Comes. So that is not ever going to happen, even with time manipulations.

This is what the Bible says:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." -- 24:36

However, we have idiots like Edgar C. Whisenant who wrote the book 88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988. We also have idiots who believed that book.

Assuming the last published page is from 2009, a person with some sense can smack Edgar upside the head: "How can the rapture be in 1988 If Jeanette Isabelle's last published E-mail conversation is from 2009?"

The point is the published writings will shut those idiots up for a little while.
[/quote]

There will always be idiots who will say things to get a following. It does not matter that one says or does to prevent or stop it, eliminate one idiot, and another will replace him. That is the problem with Power; eliminate that who is power, and a vacuum will be created and somebody else will be put into or take that position to fill the void.

If anything, these idiots do make life "interesting."

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/0#3 date=1540519359]Who cares about movies and other forms of entertainment that discuss fictional events of the future? There are dozen of conspiracy theories on Youtube that says movies like Back to the Future II predicted 911 and other events. But at the same time there are dozens of YouTube videos of movies that discuss the future and compares to hoe right or wrong they were. Watch this video very carefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0TpRGXKdog

The video you posted demonstrates why it would be a good idea to set the record straight on what will happen in the future. Women will wear lightbulbs in their hair in the year 2000! How silly is that?
[/quote]

Light bulbs in one's hair, they were not too far off on that as I seen an LED net or cap that goes over one's head and LEDs turn on/off and flash in different colors but LEDs are a lot smaller than Light Bulbs. The Past can only guess what the future will be by comparing what it has in terms of technology. They were very close with the Computers though they did not know what computers were in those days; the latest prediction about them was around 1964 with the online shopping and banking, and though computers came in 1977, for computers to do what the prediction foretold (ie: online shopping, et al) it would take another 20 years in 1995 with the advent of the Internet.

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/0#3 date=1540519359]To think that somebody exists that you can trust with knowledge from the future, would be putting the entire human race in jeopardy. The temptation of using that information to profit from it would be too great. It is best to leave it alone. Even I with the knowledge of the Construct of Time that I have, can not be trusted with that information.

How can the information be used for profit other than to sell books and make movies? It's not like there is any financial information. One might argue the 1989 add for a 1990 Lexus could be a stock tip; that add does not tell the reader how well it was received. From that perspective, the Lexus could have failed as easily it could succeed.

Jeanette Isabelle[/quote]

Lets take Bill Holbrook, if you knew that he would become a (eh...) famous cartoonist, despite what he did with the Danielle story line and hurting a fan in the process, you could approach him before he became famous, invest in his talent and even put insurance on his life and talent in case he would hurt on the job. As soon as he for famous, that investment and its value would grow.

In thinking about Lexus (Infinity and others), those luxury cars did not come out until around 1990. One in 1986 can invest in their parent company (Toyota for Lexus) and then split the stock when the fledgling Lexus comes out in 1990. This would double the stock's value instantly. As is, this a lot more than "a stock tip." It's Insider Trading, which is illegal if it can be proven as such.

Like in the Back To The Future series, two things were shown as past knowledge influencing the future:
1) Biff's Sports Almanac from the future that listed winders of sport events and the lottery. This information made Biff a very rich and powerful man.
2) Doc Brown's investment in the old West and a)inventing air conditioning/freezer (which happened at about that time period and area) and b) Doc Brown's investing in the guy that invented Barbed Wire for fencing. That made Doc Brown rich enough to buy his own steam train, which says a lot within itself.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Oct 27^th, 2018, 2:33pm

Fernando wrote:

[quote author=Jeanette link=1539966421/0#4 date=1540584882]After I made my post, I considered a lot of things: If Arik read his journal in the early 1980s, would he still write it in the 1990s and 2000?

[quote author=Jeanette link=1539966421/0#4 date=1540584882]Would you write to me if you read your E-mail in the Early 80s?

It would depend on the subject of the email.

Me writing emails to you back then? It depends on the situation back then like it did on those days. I backed you up with the Sock puppet crew tried to make you and Arik look bad, and you did the same for me. It was in those days that we solidify a friendship then that despite the verbal fights and argument we had over the years would not end it. That said a lot - we can disagree to the point of fang and claws but in the end we respect each other. And that is what a true friendship is.[/quote]
I have seventy-seven pages of printed E-mail. Most of the exchanges are with you, Aiesha, Isabel Marks, Bill Holbrook and Warren R. Ehn [from the Kevin and Kell forum]. Subjects include Michio Kaku mentoring you, time travel, 9/11 [Only the month, day and location (WTC) are specified. The year, what exactly happened and how it happened are not mentioned.], Aiesha's car accident, her assault, the characters DOS and Yukino, the two-year Danielle war and my stay in the psychiatric hospital.

Fernando wrote:

NASA has had several warning for Challenger and several close calls with Discover and Columbia before. They did not heed those warnings. Any warnings from the future, they would not heed. As Pointus Pilot once stated, they would say, "I wash my hands at this."

If the journal is published before then, people will read about Challenger disaster before it happens and may watch the January 28, 1986 launch to learn if the Journal is accurate. I can picture the reactions.

Fernando wrote:

Lets take Bill Holbrook, if you knew that he would become a (eh...) famous cartoonist, despite what he did with the Danielle story line and hurting a fan in the process, you could approach him before he became famous, invest in his talent and even put insurance on his life and talent in case he would hurt on the job. As soon as he for famous, that investment and its value would grow.

Perhaps it's because I'm not an investor; I don't see how another person can benefit much from knowing Bill Holbrook will draw three comic strips. Bill might gain if the published texts and drawings cause him to be more famous.

Fernando wrote:

In thinking about Lexus (Infinity and others), those luxury cars did not come out until around 1990. One in 1986 can invest in their parent company (Toyota for Lexus) and then split the stock when the fledgling Lexus comes out in 1990. This would double the stock's value instantly. As is, this a lot more than "a stock tip." It's Insider Trading, which is illegal if it can be proven as such.

With me, I have a Stagebill Dallas Opera 1989 season. In it is the add I mentioned. On the bottom of the add, it says: "(c) Lexus, A Division Of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., Inc." The Stagebill also has an add for the Landmark Cafe located in the Omni Melrose Hotel which also has corporate information on the bottom, an add for Prudential-Bache Securities, the Chanel Boutique in Highland Park Shopping Villiage, Northern Trust Bank of Texas, The Watergate Hotel, Park Place Motorcars [a Mercedes-Benz dealership in Dallas], Merrill Lynch, The Claridge "Luxury high-rise residences from $400,000 to $3.5 million.", Delta "We Love To Fly And It Shows", Oakdale "Secured, Exclusive Homesites From The Low One-Hundreds", Campbell Stationers - Engravers, Clotheshorse Anonymous, Communities Foundation Of Texas, Self-Insurance Resource, Inc., The Fairmount Hotel, Alzheimer's Association, American Airlines and Dewar's.

You're right. This Stagebill is such a goldmine of information I may as well include a copy of The WallStreet Journal from 1989. Providing financial information is not what I want. People need to invest the old fashion way. It's not that I wish for Bill to succeed by becoming more famous, what happened does play a role in the fifteen-year story.

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Oct 31^st, 2018, 4:11pm

Fernando wrote:

There will always be idiots who will say things to get a following. It does not matter that one says or does to prevent or stop it, eliminate one idiot, and another will replace him. That is the problem with Power; eliminate that who is power, and a vacuum will be created and somebody else will be put into or take that position to fill the void.

If anything, these idiots do make life "interesting."

You're right. There will always be idiots. There are also people who are serious about understanding the mysteries of end-time prophecy.

If a published set of texts and drawings accurately depict events (when a person is born, what happens in that person's life, the names of three presidents and the destruction of the Challenger on January 28, 1986), then events that have yet to come to pass should be given some weight.

Anyhow, for reasons unknown other than that is how it worked out, the story [a combination of Arik's journal, drawings and printed E-mail] is only fifteen-years-long. An E-mail Aiesha wrote to me on August 11, 2009, completes a story that started on March 19, 1994, the day of Arik's sister's wedding.

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Nov 2^nd, 2018, 4:38pm

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/0#5 date=1540603330][quote author=Jeanette link=1539966421/0#4 date=1540584882]After I made my post, I considered a lot of things: If Arik read his journal in the early 1980s, would he still write it in the 1990s and 2000?

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Nov 6^th, 2018, 2:44pm

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Jeanette link=1539966421/0#6 date=1540665231][quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/0#5 date=1540603330][quote author=Jeanette link=1539966421/0#4 date=1540584882]After I made my post, I considered a lot of things: If Arik read his journal in the early 1980s, would he still write it in the 1990s and 2000?

No.

Arik would make changes to what happened from what he read then to bring a better outcome, which would fail.[/quote]
I'm not sure either way. The journal was written by someone who is troubled by his past. If psychologists accurately decode the diary and find Arik early in his life, then it would be safe to assume that Arik would not have written his journal.[/quote]
What if the contents are never published in its entirety? Instead, allow writers to study the materials so they can write a story based on known future events.

This way, if Arik is unable to read his journal, verbatim, there is a higher likelihood he will write it when the time comes.

Jeanette Isabelle[/quote]

Excuse me for making this personal; what if Jeanette (you) got a message from the future about your father's plane crash and of the events to follow that makes you who you are today? You would feel that you should do something about it, no matter what that something might be. Even causing a delay in the event can cause change. In trying to change the outcome of the future, whether it succeeds or not, creates a new future and thus a different Jeanette in the end.

The likely hood that you, Jeanette, will not act is slim. This is true for everyone. And this is why some events are immutable but the attempts in changing it can cause other (unknown) ramifications one has to deal with.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Nov 8^th, 2018, 10:42am

Fernando wrote:

Excuse me for making this personal; what if Jeanette (you) got a message from the future about your father's plane crash and of the events to follow that makes you who you are today? You would feel that you should do something about it, no matter what that something might be. Even causing a delay in the event can cause change. In trying to change the outcome of the future, whether it succeeds or not, creates a new future and thus a different Jeanette in the end.

The likely hood that you, Jeanette, will not act is slim. This is true for everyone. And this is why some events are immutable but the attempts in changing it can cause other (unknown) ramifications one has to deal with.

Though it would be impossible for me to think of it in such terms in 1992, I don't believe stopping the plane crash is the right answer. Instead, correct the series of events that resulted in the plane crash. Unfortunately, the journal and e-mail do not reveal what those events are. The best I could hope for is if those who received the time capsule spied on my family, as extream as that may be. Even then they may not understand every connection until it is too late.

Those who receive the time capsule will have the difficulty of completing a jigsaw puzzle without having all the pieces. Some of the pieces they do have are: Jeanette Isabelle Taylor born January 26, 1986, father is Alex, Alex died in a plane crash, the plane crashed on May 16, 1992. Other pieces fit; it would take too long to explain how. There is one puzzle piece, in particular, not recorded though there is a reference to it. Let's say it is incredible how my name, my dad's name, my date of birth, how Dad died, the date of his death and more fit together.

Let's take your situation to illustrate what I mean by a series of events. I don't know what events lead to your wife's murder; what if, instead of changing one event (your wife's death), it is possible to correct the series of events that resulted in her death?

I don't know how you would answer; I would instead stop the sequence of events that resulted in the plane crash and not the plane crash its self.

Assuming that option is not possible, I would not consciously stand by and do nothing. After all, I would only be acting on the known information I had at that time.

I think the more realistic question would be, what would Dad do if he got information from the future? After all, unless the journal, e-mail, drawings and letter became a movie, I may not know anything about them in 1992. Without knowing what caused the crash, he may have his plane thoroughly checked and made other plans for the week of May 10.

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Nov 9^th, 2018, 2:07am

Jeanette wrote:

The cause of my wife's murder is fixed and immutable because there are too many factors and events connected to it going back to about 7 years. The one possibility that would have kept her alive is if I never met her at all, thus if I never went to BTHS ( http://www.bths.edu ). I am that one factor, when removed, would have kept her alive. But in her place, many others would die instead. Jeanie Chin for one- the Asian girl I saved from drowning at the school's pool, remove me from the school, she would have drowned. My friend from Kindergarten, Sue, who got caught up in a Asian gang war of the time, if I were not there to get her out of the way multiple times, would have been killed. Likewise my stay in Julia Richman HS would have been extended and more opportunities for me to be killed by those wanting me dead at the time. But worst of all, I would not have met my first Commodore PET in 1978 and become interested in computers. I would not have many my millions of dollars and I would not have been able to take in Rachel and her sister out of the hell they were in. It is just too interweaved and too interconnected to make one subtle change for a better outcome for it does not exist.

In your case, what ever caused your father's plane to crash, in delaying him by 5 minutes would have changed things enough to prevent the plane crash. Thus, if you had a chance to all him over the phone, and keep him from going for at least 5 minutes, that would have changed things enough to prevent or stop the crash that kills him. Just 5 minutes.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Nov 9^th, 2018, 9:15am

Fernando wrote:

In your case, what ever caused your father's plane to crash, in delaying him by 5 minutes would have changed things enough to prevent the plane crash. Thus, if you had a chance to all him over the phone, and keep him from going for at least 5 minutes, that would have changed things enough to prevent or stop the crash that kills him. Just 5 minutes.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Nov 9^th, 2018, 12:53pm

Jeanette wrote:

[quote author=Fernando link=1539966421/10#11 date=1541747252]In your case, what ever caused your father's plane to crash, in delaying him by 5 minutes would have changed things enough to prevent the plane crash. Thus, if you had a chance to all him over the phone, and keep him from going for at least 5 minutes, that would have changed things enough to prevent or stop the crash that kills him. Just 5 minutes.

The plane crash seems like a summation of many events that have transpired earlier. Preventing the plane crash will change my life in ways I can't imagine, that I agree. I think it is impossible to avoid the plane crash unless someone corrects the events that resulted in the plane crash.

Jeanette Isabelle[/quote]

Unless that incident was from mechanical failure or pilot error, as I remember it, it was weather related. If it was weather related, ie: A Windshear or Microburst phenomenon, the condition will always be there at that exact moment in time. The plane does not, thus a delay in time would place him and the plane in the weather condition that change enough to avoid the situation that caused the crash.
http://www.pilotfriend.com/disasters/crash/delta191.htm

But this is only if the crash was caused by a weather condition, which I believe is what happened. That delay can be caused you (Jeanette) calling him and keeping him from going on time.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Nov 9^th, 2018, 2:47pm

You are making the argument that your wife's murder is a fixed event and cannot be changed unless you had attended a different high school. So be it.

You then, however, make an argument that the plane crash is a random event and that a five-minute phone call would have changed everything despite me stating that a series of events resulted in the plane crash. Granted, I did not list any of those events.

For the sake of discussion let us suppose that it is possible to change one of those events. Dad flew on Saturday the sixteenth, four days after May 12. May 12 was the tenth anniversary of May 12, 1982 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways#Ceasing_operations), the day Braniff International filed for bankruptcy. Dad knew people who had worked for that airline. That is why he was out that day.

If Braniff did not shut down, or shut down on a different day, Dad might not have flown that Saturday.

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Nov 9^th, 2018, 7:43pm

Jeanette wrote:

There are fixed events and there are random events. Weather, earthquakes, solar flairs, almost anything non-living natural thing is fixed in time as an event. Human, Flora and/or Fauna caused events is not. The problem occurs when living/dead creatures interconnect with non-living things and it becomes something of both - an interconnected event.

Your statement of event A (Braniff Airlines going out of business) being connected with your father's action of the day of the plane crash (Event B), if Event A did not happen, Event B would not happened. That is correct. The only problem is if "He has to die on that day," then it will happen through another event. Only Historical icons like JFK would be such an example, if JFK did not die, it would have irreversibly changed history.

The issue with my wife is as it stands. from '73 to '77 I was bullied by a lot of black bully kids because of the Civil Rights Movement, blacks, especially the you ones believed themselves to be "Owed" something for their suffering. But yet they put down the works of Rosa Parks, MLK and Malcolm X. Many believed that they should have started Civil War and fragment the nation. Yet I as a Puerto Rican was going through some royal shit for being Puerto Rican. Blacks thought that Puerto Ricans were GIVEN everything they have, when we had to work hard to get what we got and that was little. So at the time Black Gangs went after Puerto Rican kids. That is why I wanted to go to Brooklyn Tech, where my Academic Skills would be challenged and I go further in life.

Once in Tech, I met up with this albino black girl and at first thought nothing of it. But because of my handicap from Julia Richman HS (blind temporarily blind), she was assigned to me to tutor and help me with my homework. I did not know that she was beginning to have feeling for me because like her, I had life adversities that I was working hard to overcome. But she displayed this air of denial that in my condition I could not see. Then came this asshole who claimed to be her boyfriend when he was not, and he was bullying everyone to scare them away from Cathy. Thing is, he met me, and I would not be bullied and I would not be scared. I fought him at every chance I had too and won. In short, "mom did not raise any sissies."

But like the Black Gangs in my neighborhood, he was part of the controlling head of the Black Mafia (who controlled the cocaine and marijuana flow into New York City from South East Asia). Thus he had a lot of power or so he thought. Because of my friends and the work I did as a teen lifeguard in rescuing lives, I got connections with the Chinese Mafia, The Japanese Yacusa, and the Italian Mafia. There we nowhere in the city where somebody had their eyes on me to protect me. But Randal tried again, and again, and again. And again, and again and again, he failed.

Given time I would garner emotions for Cathy as she had of me. But I too kept it in a veil of denial because I did not want to go through what I went through with Mary. Because of that, our emotions betrayed us and we started to pick on each other. Some would say like siblings, others would say like peeved lovers. We did not realized it ourselves until we sat down and had a serious talk. But in that talk, she told me that she was getting married to Randal to pay off a family debt. And they say that Slavery was over in 1864... it was doing great in BTHS in 1979! Though I tried to end our relationship, Randal was abusing Cathy and she was arriving to school with bruises and in pain. I challenged him several times about stopping it. He laughed, so the next time Cathy came in bruised up, I hunted his ass down and beat the shit out of him. If he was with his brothers, I took care of them first before beating the crap out of him. Any abuse he gave Cathy, I returned it to him double. After a while he grew a brain cell and figured out that is he stopped abusing Cathy, that I would stop beating his ass. That bought her a year and half of peace.

Cathy and I grew as a couple knowing that it would be a sudden end to come. Certain of her friends supported us because I was the only one that stood up for her when no one else would. But that end came. I was given one chance to end the wedding, and I choose not to act, she married that asshole (July '81). Then he abandoned her and she divorced him in absentia for abandonment - he went to the Air Force as an OSI operative and sent no money to her to support her and their child, he had to go to welfare to support herself. We would meet again in '83 when she was trying to apply for college courses and become a student.

Long story short, we were married in less than 6 weeks. We thought we had peace. But Randal would return from his mission in Japan to confront Cathy of her actions to divorce him. He had his family chase her around and harass her (like he did before but now it was worse). She had an order of protection on her and this carried a licensed and registered .38 snub nose revolver on her at all times, and she pulled out in public to keep those idiots at bay. When confronted by the police, she would pull out her gun license, registration and order of protection. Of course - they were arrested for harassing her. With much of his family in jail, Randal came to New York to confront her himself. We argued about it until she bluntly said, "If you do not trust me, then maybe we should not be married. So I let her go to have her date with Randal.

He would kill her that night. And the Blizzard of '83 fell on the city - 3 days of non-stop snow. She would be buried in the snow, and not found for almost a month. The rest is history.

Now, the only key point in this, if I never went to Tech, we would have never met, she would not fallen in love with and and I in love with her. No other point would have stopped this, not even me ending her first wedding to him. It is a paradox that I ran again and again in my mind and in my dreams and that is the only answer I could find. Any other time, because we connected from the first day of school, even if I transferred out of classes we shared, she would still come to me no matter what. If that first day never happened, if I never went to Tech, she would not have been killed years later. Period.

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Jeanette on Nov 10^th, 2018, 6:18pm

Fernando wrote:

Your statement of event A (Braniff Airlines going out of business) being connected with your father's action of the day of the plane crash (Event B), if Event A did not happen, Event B would not happened. That is correct.

We are on the same page. Good.

Fernando wrote:

With much of his family in jail, Randal came to New York to confront her himself. We argued about it until she bluntly said, "If you do not trust me, then maybe we should not be married. So I let her go to have her date with Randal.

Until now you never told me why you let her go. Unless you had a vision or a prophetic warning, there is no way you could have known.

Several times, when talking about my situation, you said something to the nature of "You may have warned your dad."

Four days before the crash (again, there's that date, May 12) I went to bed and while I was still awake, I saw a vision. I saw an analog clock with a minute to twelve. There was a knife stabbed in the face of the clock. I did not know what it meant and I never said a word to anyone.

Years later, when I was seeing a counselor, I told her what I saw. She said what I saw is a vision of death.

What's the point in receiving cryptic warnings if you don't know what they mean? What's interesting is when I received the vision, May 12. I knew about Braniff, the year they went bankrupt and even the approximate time of year. Consciously I did not remember the exact date.

Jeanette Isabelle

Title: Re: Time Capsule
Post by Fernando on Nov 11^th, 2018, 3:56pm

Prophetic warnings are always cryptic. It takes a quick mind to try to decode their meanings.

I seen that something would happen to Cathy back then, but she threw in that trust or nothing ultimatum, and there was nothing I could do. It is not that I did not trust her, I did not trust him. Furthering this Cathy threw Juanita at me so I would not try to follow her. Things came to a panic when at the start of the blizzard, I went to check on a couple things in the dresser and found her licensed firearm in there. At that point I knew she was in trouble. Again, the rest was history.

But everyone involved had a cryptic warning of what was to come: her sisters, Juanita, a couple other friends and I, and yet none of us paid attention to it. Even my mother and grandmother had some strange cryptic warnings; as my mother would say "Those are some ugly numbers." She, like me, look at things and the numeric values of things and see a pattern that is not seen by others. If things are OK, she would call them calm or beautiful numbers; but if things were going to be bad, she call them "Ugly Numbers." and back then she saw nothing but ugly numbers everywhere. But the issue is the What and Why it is. That is almost always impossible to get until after the event had past.